Nancy Pelosi might have to leave the Catholic Church after a top Bishop did one thing

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Nancy Pelosi claims to be a devout Catholic.

But her beliefs on issues like abortion and gay marriage infuriate many in the church.

And now she might have to leave the Catholic Church after a top Bishop did one thing.

Abortion is a clear sin among the Catholic Church, which cherishes the life of all, including the unborn.

But some Left-wing politicians who claim to be Catholics legislate the exact opposite of what their church teaches.

And a Bishop in Springfield, Illinois is now doing something about it.

Bishop Thomas John Paprocki ruled that state legislators who work to pass new sets of new abortion laws going through the legislature will be barred from receiving the sacrament of Holy Communion.

LifeSiteNews reports:

The bishop of Springfield in Illinois has barred pro-abortion legislators from receiving the sacrament of Holy Communion.

Bishop Thomas John Paprocki has ruled that state legislators who are working to pass Illinois’s new abortion bill may not present themselves for communion in his diocese and that priests are expressly forbidden from giving the Eucharist to both the Senate president and the speaker of the House.

“In accord with canon 915 of the Code of Canon Law … Illinois Senate President John Cullerton and Speaker of the House Michael J. Madigan, who facilitated the passage of the Act Concerning Abortion of 2017 (House Bill 40) as well as the Reproductive Health Act of 2019 (Senate Bill 25), are not to be admitted to Holy Communion in the Diocese of Springfield in Illinois because they have obstinately persisted in promoting the abominable crime and very grave sin of abortion as evidenced by the influence they exerted in their leadership roles and their repeated votes and obdurate public support for abortion rights over an extended period of time,” Paprocki wrote in a statement dated June 2, 2019.

This policy only applies in the diocese he oversees around Springfield, Illinois, but it has always been discussed as a possibility throughout the country.

Politicians who use their position to allow unborn children to be murdered clearly aren’t living up to the values that Catholics are expected to hold.

If this policy ends up becoming more widespread, Pelosi could find herself virtually thrown out of the church.

Do you think self-professed Catholic politicians who support abortion should be allowed to receive Holy Communion?

Let us know your thoughts in the comments below.

236 COMMENTS

    • Any politician that votes for abortion should be arrested and tried for MURDER ! I don’t care what position they hold or how high up in government they are ! They should also be banned from holding any office at any level !

          • A feminist speaks!!!!!! Whether or not other faiths accept this abomination doesn’t matter morally to a good Catholic. Killing an innocent unborn baby is infanticide . Check you internet and watch two workers at Planned Parenthood laugh and play wrestling with two tiny dead babies that they had helped abort. Maybe if you saw the demonic results of this blot on the moral decency of this country you’d change you mind. At least I hope so.

      • There are a lot of church goers who may not be of the faith. They follow the voice of the culture rather than What God says. Therefore most people who truly are Christians in faith, in word and in deed do find abortion abhorrent and a human tragedy. Our hearts grieve over the brutal murder of innocent lives.

    • They should all be barred from receiving communion…but at the same time, the Catholic Church should end its’ hypocrisy of banning abortion but at the same time officially supporting the democratic party in America…and socialism throughout the world. It is way beyond time that the Church switch to a conservative philosophy and propagate THAT belief thru its’ vast number of believers. It is only common-sense.

    • Agree with all of you. Pelousy is about money and power, period, but that’s a Dem for you. AND while they claim to be the supporters of the working folks they continually steal from them via taxes to buy votes from the lazy.

        • Amazing – they haven’t done one thing they were elected to do for the constituents that put their faith in them with the privilege of casting their precious vote for them. It is my contention if they have done nothing but hateful self gratifying actions – they should be fined their pay – day for day until they do the people’s buisness instead of the selfish ego trip they have chosen to take. All Christians no matter what their affiliation should not be allowed the Sachrements as long as they defy God’s rules.

    • Finally, a Catholic cleric with the stones to bring these hypocrites to task for their anti life rhetoric and actions.
      Where is the outrage from the powers that be in Rome?

      • The pope of the Catholic Church is not a Christian. He is a paid participant of the one world order and ALL Christians should be very scared.

    • “If this policy ends up becoming more widespread, Pelosi could find herself virtually thrown out of the church.” is not true. Refusing Communion does not throw her out.

    • she is the wicked witch from Oz. She is no Catholic or her views would be different. yes she should be removed from the church

    • She isn’t a Christian anyway if she agrees to murdering new born babies. There AREN’T any Democrat Christians running for office. You are either a Democrat (OR) a Christian.

    • Either we are a Christian country or we are not ? There are often considerable difference in the values people . It maybe unconstitutional to force Christian values on other Citizens . Likewise it must also be unconstitutional to force antichristian values on Christians . So we must follow the constitution if we want to keep this country .

      • Murdering unborn babies has nothing to do with any religion. It has to do with being a civilized people. Obviously, as much as we like to pat ourselves on the back and tell ourselves how wonderful and righteous we are, we are not yet “civilized”.

        • Why is it murder? If you do a c-section on a “Baby” of 12 weeks and place it under the most advanced medical care we have today, will it survive? No, it won’t, then how does it have a conscience and how will it function in society. It’s just a bundle of cells that will never grow into a human before it can sustain life by itself, it’s just another bundle of cells, and the mother can choose to cut it out of her like an organ.

          • Why would anyone “do a c-section on a “Baby”” unless the baby were pregnant which is impossible. You have been brain washed by pro abortion liberals who won’t believe science.

          • Bad wording. If you did a C-section on a woman to deliver the “Baby” of 12 weeks and place it under the most advanced medical care we have today, will it survive?

            It is science that I keep quoting and you are the one who keeps denying it.

          • Your so called theory of “a group of cells” is extremely misguided. They can feel pain. In some abortions that were filmed using ultrasound they can be seen avoiding and even fighting to stay away from the abortion tools. How is that just a group of cells? So yes, it is clearly murder. And if the unborn baby can be counted as a child in figuring the family’s SNAP benefits then why is it “a group of cells” and it’s ok to abort it?

          • It is physically impossible for a fetus to feel pain before the 28th week. The nerves haven’t developed yet. The wiring at the point where you feel pain, such as the skin, doesn’t reach the emotional part where you feel pain, in the brain. Although fetuses start forming pain receptors eight weeks into development, the thalamus, the part of the brain that routes information to other areas, doesn’t form for 20 more weeks. Without the thalamus, no information can reach the cortex for processing.

            Fetuses do have reflex reactions that can make them seem pained. If you see a fetus in utero react to needle stimulation, then the common conclusion is that it must feel. But just as with paraplegics, that’s a reflex that’s mediated by the spinal cord; that’s not a conscious reaction.

          • So even tho’ you grew into a human being, you were “just a group of cells? How then did you manage to grow into a human? Life begins at conception or else it wouldn’t grow. And reflex or no, it feels something and surely it feels a knife cutting it apart to get rid of it. How can you call yourself a Christian. How about if your mother aborted you?

          • No, I am not a Christian, I am an atheist. If my mother aborted me I would not be here. I wouldn’t care because I wouldn’t have consciousness of being. What if my mother miscarried me? The same answer applies, I wouldn’t care because I would not have any consciousness of being.

            Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.

            According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being.   One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath.   This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either.   Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it;   the rest are aborted.

            God has decreed, for one reason or another, that at least one-third of all pregnancies shall be terminated by a spontaneous abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy and that a number will be terminated after the first trimester.   It would appear that God does not have any more regard for the loss of a fetus than he does for the loss of a placenta or a foreskin despite the fact that these were living tissue as the result of conception.

      • you are so right. Remember when Obama first got elected and went on his apology
        tour He told the world that the US is not christian and Americans do not want America to be exceptional. He also told the Muslims he was one of them. I also saw a video where Obama was visiting a school. He told the kids they will be told they are special but that is not true He stated they are no different than any other children the the World.

  1. I cannot understand why she is still in the church. Her views are not new. There are many people who cannot receive the sacraments because they are divorced and remarried and abortion is a graver sin than the remarriage of Catholic divorcees.

  2. Bringing “thrown out” of a church for believing in bodily autonomy for not just men, but women as well? Yep, seems like exactly something Jesus would do. *rolls eyes*

    Proof once again how religion is used to control the masses.

    • No, it’s a sin to kill. Hillary and the Clinton’s have a lot to answer for. Remember Hillary’s famous words, “what does it matter now” to the faces of the family members who lost their loved ones? Bengzi.

      • Yes, it is against the law to kill a person, but a fetus isn’t a person yet. Life begins at first breath. If it can’t survive outside of the womb, then it is a part of the woman’s body and she is entitled to do what she wants to her own body.

        Words taken out of context can be very damaging, but you know that. You just like that it appears that she didn’t care. Her is her entire statement:

        “With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backward as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we’ll figure out what was going on in the meantime.”

        • Stahl-I am not a doctor nor an export on fetuses and women’s womb; But if 1 plus 2 equals 3 then why 2 plus 1 does not equal 3–in other words you are saying a fetus is not a person till it is out of the womb–then is the fetus a bubble gum?? if it has a heartbeat it is not a human? I agree a women’s body is hers and she can do whatever she wants so why not take birth control pills and save the nation from this abortion fiasco. Let the government pay for the birth control pills to every women but if they get pregnant then it is their fault, their body and they should use their money for abortion. Why should I be responsible for a irresponsible women giving a man 10 minutes pleasure and I must for her action or in action!! NO WAY!! IT IS YOUR BODY YOU PAY FOR IT ALSO@!!!

          • Thank You BMY well stated. It not about a woman’s body it is about murdering! So if my neighbor comes to my house to visit I can kill them because it is “my house” & I didn’t want to visit! Stupid right but makes as much sense as killing children. Murder is murder & remember “Thou shalt not kill.”

          • I believe you are forgetting one thing, it takes a female and a male for a female to be pregnant, but all you want to do is punish the female.

        • There is no such thing as fetus. That is a separate life with the mother. As the heartbeat is determined and a central nervous system there is a baby. Pelosi for years should have left the church. Joe Biden as well. I’d push either out of line. In faith you’re either in or you’re out. It’s that safe.
          Catholics believe it’s at the point of conception. That is clear. What is a fetus anyway?

          • I agree she should have left the church years ago…along with Biden and Kerry…they only attend church when they want to make a show anyway…not true Christians….With all the birth control, for free most places, there is no excuse for unwanted pregnancies and therefore no need for abortion. Personally I don’t want the government in my bedroom…its none of their business.

        • Dear Staci, let’s shed Truth on your comment. First where did we get the law that says it’s wrong to kill. I believe it was the Bible and the term is not kill it’s murder. Using that same authority, the Bible, also clearly states that “the life is in the blood” so breathing has absolutely nothing to do with it. Murder is murder I don’t care, and it really doesn’t matter, how you spin it.

          • My name is Kaci, not Staci. Please address me correctly.

            Actual the law of not killing has been around since before the bible. It is a universal law that has nothing to do with Christianity.

            The bible also states the life begins at first breath.

            After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.

            In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

            Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live, and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

            In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.

            According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being. One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath. This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either. Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it; the rest are aborted.

            God has decreed, for one reason or another, that at least one-third of all pregnancies shall be terminated by a spontaneous abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy and that a number will be terminated after the first trimester. It would appear that God does not have any more regard for the loss of a fetus than he does for the loss of a placenta or a foreskin despite the fact that these were living tissue as the result of conception.

          • Kaci, “the breath of the Almighty gives me life” is not the same as the breath humans have. Are you that lacking in intelligence to not know the difference? Unintentional miscarriage is not the same as intentional abortion as you should well know. To claim you know what God has decreed and why shows a definite lack of intelligence. Liberals like you think truth is what they say it is which is all relative.

          • Is that how you intelligently debate things, attacking another person? Do you have a bachelor’s degree in Ministry? Are you or were you a Sunday school teacher for over 20 years? You may not like the things I say, but to say that I lack intelligence is just name-calling.

            I am guessing that you have forgotten (or never knew of) the abortion recipe in Numbers that was given by God to Moses.

        • You say that because a fetus is not yet a person it is okay to dismember it while it is alive. It is okay to shove medical instruments through it’s skull and scramble it’s brain. If you did that to an animal you would be arrested for torturing the animal. Do that to an unborn child and you are hailed as a hero of women.

        • Please explain then, why, when a pregnant woman is killed, the courts charge the perpetrator with 2 murders? There are way too many instances to count of when this happened in the past.

          • The same reason that you can’t force someone to have an abortion. Basically the “killer” made that decision for the woman, which is against the law. Only a woman and her doctor can decide what is best for her, no one else.

        • A fetus/embryo/baby/toddler/child/adolescent/adult are ALL different stages of development of a HUMAN BEING!
          Kacie, there is so much anger expressed in your continued, ongoing, multiple comments about every subject being raised in comments to this article, but it is apparent there is alot of misunderstanding about biology and life, the founding of our country on Judeo-Christian values, laws being mirrored off the 10 Commandments, the Qu’oran vs the Bible and many other opinions you’ve voiced….

          I will only focus on the biological fact that being at a different level of development doesn’t determine the value placed on human life! Once conception takes place, a distinct, individual HUMAN being with it’s own DNA is formed, never to be repeated!

          Just because am embryo can’t survive outside the uterus doesn’t mean it isn’t human life, just as a toddler or child, or disabled individual or geriatric person remains a human being even though they are dependent on various support systems!

          In addition, an embryo/fetus/baby is NOT part of a women’s body, and the demand for a woman to control her own body is antithetical to nature and women’s clearly defined role. Women have been given a privilege to bring new life into the world, and her ability to do so should be cherished!

          I’ve provided care to women in all stages of the reproductive process over more than 40 years, and have seen emotion from joy with new life to despair at their loss!
          Never have I witnessed a mother’s rejection of that human life which she helped create!

          Women need to be aware of the lies they are told by abortion clinics. Most never meet the description of “a decision between a woman and her Dr”, so widely proclaimed!
          Women are prepped for an abortion by clinic employees and never see “their Dr”, until the abortionist enters room to terminate a pregnancy! The fetus/baby is removed in gruesome procedures which are not adequately explained to mother. It is an assembly line process.

          Women need to be told the truth about abortion. It is the termination of a unique human life and should be detested by all, not used as a bottom line determination for profitability!

          Abortion is the taking of a human life just as surely as euthanasia, suicide, homicide, or death row execution takes the life of a human being. It is wrong and it’s snuffing out the future innovators, scientists, teachers, Doctors, and neighbors of our society. Legalization of abortion doesn’t make it acceptable!

          I applaud strong religious leaders who are willing to challenge the lack of moral integrity of public figures who promote activities in direct violation of nature and moral teachings! Too many in Church leadership, and society in general, waffle on subjectivity, acceptance, and tolerance, and in doing so mislead people on moral and biblical principles!

          • Oh this I have to hear. What lies are being told to women in abortion clinics?

            FYI, most abortions are done by medicine these days. And women totally understand what abortion is and have 100% made up their minds before they even walk into the door of an abortion clinic. Women do not need anyone telling them what they can or can’t do with their own bodies like they are children and don’t understand (like you just did).

            You may not like abortion and I totally support that, but forcing your views on another human being is just wrong. No woman or child should be forced into gestational servitude.

            Is America back in the slave era where we are forcing women to carry to term against her will? Are we in the slave breeding business now?

          • Let’s not forget why Planned parenthood was created. It was to get rid of blacks and that’s a fact. Yes a woman should have the right to do with her body as she see’s it but when there are birth control methods which are free why not take them. Are these woman so lazy they can’t take a pill everyday or the patch. Many use abortions as a birth control and than cry the blues when they decide to have a child they can’t. I don’t care what the low life’s do but I myself do not want my tax dollars going for this. If they want it let them pay for it . I’m sick of paying for everyone else because they are so stupid, lazy to get a job or take a pill and expect everyone else to take care of it for them. If there really is a God than he surely should clear the planet and start over as he really screwed up when he made us.

    • There have been numerous cases where prominent high profile MALES in Congress have been barred from receiving communion because of their stand on abortion (rolls eyes). You are probably too young to have been around when it happened. A person can learn a lot from history, if you’d bother to look it up. I’m surprised it took this long for the Church to go after a FEMALE.

      • I love how you call me young. 🙂

        When you tell me about all the pedophile priests that have been excommunicated from the church, then we will talk.

        • Look up the 2004 Federal Law “Unborn Victims of Violence Act” passed by a bipartisan Senate(61-38 which included 11 dems) and the House (207-47 which included 47 dems). I find it rather hard to believe that a nonliving “thing”, as you refer to it, would have such protections if it really wasn’t a life.

          Your logic should also extend to denying a doctor’s efforts to save a person’s life once the heart stops, or the victim stops breathing, because by medical definition, once the heart stops, the person is clinically dead, thus NOT a living thing, or as you described earlier not “breathing”.

          • The legislation was both hailed and vilified by various legal observers who interpreted the measure as a step toward granting legal personhood to human fetuses, even though the bill explicitly contained a provision excepting abortion, stating that the bill would not “be construed to permit the prosecution” “of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf”, “of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child” or “of any woman with respect to her unborn child.”

            ‘‘(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
            ‘‘(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
            ‘‘(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
            ‘‘(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child

        • Only a minuscule amount of of the unfaithful and criminal priests could be classified as “pedophiles.” The vast majority of the errant ones are homosexual males that commit sins and crimes by having sexual relations with post pubescent males, many of whom are minors. There is a big difference, yet to broach the subject of rampant homosexuality in their ranks seems to be “off limits”.

  3. The nuns who taught her at her convent school in Baltimore and at Trinity College in DC are probably spinning in their graves!

  4. It is true, she should have been barred to receive communion a long time ago. Oh, my gosh! What a devil! Shame on the stupid people who believe in her!!

  5. Nancy and all the other alleged Catholics in congress who support abortion and homosexual unions are guilty of mortal sins, in the eyes of the Catholic Church, and all should be excommunicated until they change their actions. They are selling their souls to keep their jobs. St. Peter said, “We are here to serve God first, not man.” The other bishops around the country and in the D.C. area should have the courage of the bishop in Springfield. Maybe they need to pray to the Holy Spirit for the courage and fortitude needed for their offices.

  6. One wonders how she has the nerve to even say she is Catholic. Everything she says and does is against the Catholic Church, God and Jesus Christ. Just because she claims, or would like to give the facade, of being a Christian doesn’t mean
    anything. A faithful Christian has a relationship with Jesus Christ and walks the walk. Pelosi will face God one day, as we all will, and she’ll have to face that day of judgment. She better buckle up her day of reckoning is at hand and it is long overdue.

  7. More Priests and Bishops Should be stepping up and denying these abortion pushing liberals Out of the Church ! They Clearly Do Not follow God !

  8. Nancy Pelosi has another church related problem regarding same sex marriage.
    Romans 2:18-28
    ‘GOD gave them up’
    What a sorry state to be in.

    By their actions they let everyone know they are a fool.
    Ecclesiastes 10:3

  9. Abortion supporter Pelosi should well know herself that she is not in the state of grace to receive our Lord through communion. Yet, it is gratifying to see at least one lonely voice (Bishop Paprocki) speaking out and acting on behalf of the unborn and initiating absolutely correct consequences toward people and politicians ignoring God’s commands.
    Still, I am missing a clear direction and message from Rome, other bishops and christian voices to draw a line in the sand and to protect innocent lives.

  10. Praise God! Finally one lone voice in the Church who is willing to Speak For God! “If My People who are called by My Name will humble themselves and pray and seek My Face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will Hear from Heaven and I will forgive their sins and Heal Their Land!” 2 Chron 7:14

  11. Pelosi, Biden, and any other Catholic politician who is in favor of abortion should be excommunicated. Abortion is the murdering of a person and as such is something everyone should abhor, especially Catholics. Biden and Pelosi are not Catholics, but perverted liberals, Matt Simons

      • From the ten Commandments we get don’t murder, don’t steal, don’t covet, and more. All of them are applicable to all peoples for successful civilizations.

        • 1. “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
          This is contrary to the First Amendment, which states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” It utterly defies the American concept of religious liberty.

          2. “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…”
          This is also contrary to the First Amendment, as it violates the right to freedom of religion and the right to freedom of speech. Furthermore, it is hypocritical of people to insist on putting into government buildings a graven image of a document that prohibits the making of graven images.

          3. “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.” Again, this contradicts the First Amendment right to freedoms of religion and speech.

          4. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.”
          This commandment has indeed influenced our society, but working on Saturdays or Sundays is hardly illegal.

          5. “Honor thy father and thy mother.”
          There is no law requiring children to honor their parents, and in fact, the only laws in this regard are those to protect children from parents who are not worthy of being honored.

          6. “Thou shall not kill.”
          This commandment is certainly a good idea, but all civilized societies have had laws against murder since the Code of Hammurabi, which predates the Bible by at least 1,000 years. In other words, it is hardly an original law.

          7. “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
          While committing adultery is usually a bad idea, there are no federal laws against it.

          8. “Thou shalt not steal.”
          Like #6, this is a good idea, but not indigenous to Christianity.

          9. “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”
          Also known as “perjury”, this commandment, like #6 and #8, is not unique.

          10. “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor’s.”
          It is not only perfectly legal to covet your neighbor’s possessions, our capitalistic economy would be in serious trouble without it. Note also that the wife is listed with the rest of the man’s property, which contradicts our legal concept of gender equality.

          We can easily see that only three of the Ten Commandments have corresponding laws, and not a single one of those is exclusive to Christianity. They are part of a purely religious document, which has no place in government buildings funded by taxpayers of all religions and none.

          Many people also maintain that the founding fathers based the Constitution on the Christian Bible. This is completely false. Nowhere in the Constitution are the words “God,” “Jesus,” or “Christianity.” This was not an accidental omission. The Constitution was deliberately a secular document, and the only references to religion are exclusionary.

          The founding fathers made it clear through the blatant absence of religious language in the Constitution that they were creating a nation in which religion and government would remain separate entities. There are also numerous quotes from Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, and others that attest to this fact. Those who are purposely attempting to subvert the founding fathers’ intentions by turning the United States into a theocracy should be considered treasonous, as they are waging war against our constitutional American birthright of total religious freedom.

          • “Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.” George Washington, Sept 19th 1796. Farewell address image 243

          • “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
            ― John Adams

            “…legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.”
            ― Thomas Jefferson, Letters of Thomas Jefferson

            “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.

            [Letter objecting to the use of government land for churches, 1803]”
            ― James Madison

  12. She would get commune from me if she should up. I will give her the blessing but never the host or the blood.

  13. To Kaci Stahl. Your BASIC knowledge of biology is a shame. When other children were learning about stages of human on lessons, you were doing… propably something stupid. Go back to school instead of writing noncenses.

    • M:
      Per all biology books and medical books, here are the stages of human development:

      In order of development:
      Zygote – the union of the sperm cell & the egg cell
      Blastocyst – after 5 or 6 days
      Embryo – 6 days to the 8th week of pregnancy
      Fetus – 8th week to birth
      Baby – (human) after birth, when it takes its first breath.

      Also, pictures of human development:
      https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/images/3/37/Human_Carnegie_stage_10-23.jpg

      • Exactly. Zygote is the same stage of human as baby or adulthood is – all of them means stage of human. Giving bracket “(human)” to baby and not giving it to other stages is only miserable manipulation of basic biology knowledge.

        • M: Zygote is also used to describe an animal or a reptile in that stage. No biology or medical book used the term baby until it is born and takes its first breath.

          • The bible also states the life begins at first breath.

            After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.

            In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

            Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live, and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

            In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.

            According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being. One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath. This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either. Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it; the rest are aborted.

            God has decreed, for one reason or another, that at least one-third of all pregnancies shall be terminated by a spontaneous abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy and that a number will be terminated after the first trimester. It would appear that God does not have any more regard for the loss of a fetus than he does for the loss of a placenta or a foreskin despite the fact that these were living tissue as the result of conception.

      • WAIT, did you say stages of “human” development so when the sperm & egg unite IT IS A HUMAN per you words so, therefore, you are saying the murder of a human is ok? So if & when, heaven forbid it you already have children, you have a child you are going to eat your afterbirth so it does not become trash & you will not circumcise you male child? Lady, you have psychological problems but that is between you & the higher being that you associate with since it cannot be the God I follow
        .

  14. Every adult man is also used to describe an animal and a mammal in that stage. By the way, it is not any problem for scientist to distinguish human zygote and other animal zygote.
    No biology or medical book used to claim that human being starts from a baby or first breath. The science even have never claimed from which does stage homo begins. “Baby” and “first breath” It is your private version of “biology”.
    “If it can’t survive outside of the womb, then it is a part of the woman’s body and she is entitled to do what she wants to her own body. ” I accepted my grandmather in my house, she is so old that she is unable to survive outside it, she is part of my building now, so I can do what I want in and with my own building and everything that is inside it. So according to your superb logic I can take axe and end with grandmother – part of my building).

      • So you claim that current state’s law is more important that basic human rights? I don’t know why people hate these poor Nazis, everything they did was in agreement with german law. By the way, by your superb logic I can kill my grandmother with an axe and every law that forbids it is barbaric. You only have not basic honesty to admit it.

        • You said you could murder your grandmother and I agreed that you could. That is a fact. But it would be morally wrong and legally wrong.

          • You are little two – face manipalator. “A human inside something is not a human anymore – that is your crazy definition of human being”. But this principle concerns only human in early stage (killing human inside woman womb is OK), the same logic didn’t concern human in late stage (killing aged men in buildings is morally wrong).

          • One hasn’t breathed life yet. It hasn’t been born yet. It is a part of the woman and cannot survive without her consent to be there. If the woman does not give consent, then it cannot stay inside her. That is how consent works.

    • Kaci refuses to admit that it was God’s breath that gives human life an not the human’s. You can’t reason with a liberal who is totally unreasonable.

      • Breath is breath. The bottom line is that it is the beginning of life. So says the bible. But if you want to get really technological, according to the bible, infants less than one-month-old are not considered persons.

        Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. — Numbers 3:15-16

        And the LORD said unto Moses, Number all the firstborn of the males of the children of Israel from a month old and upward, and take the number of their names. — Numbers 3:40

  15. I applaud the church’s stand on this issue…..you cannot be as devout a Catholic as Frau Pelosi claims to be and go along with legislation that kills the unborn……

  16. If you have no sin throw the first stone, however if she supports abortion openly and help it along the church must reply. On gay marriage you should love who you want but don’t push on others or teach in school. I don’t believe gay pride parades should exist nor heterosexual pride parades either. Sex is private in a relationship, I don’t want to know what you are doing in the bedroom.

  17. The feelings of laity and/or clergy really have nothing to do with Nancy Pelosi’s relationship with the Catholic Church–or shouldn’t anyway. She has made it clear that she is in total disagreement with some of its very important tenets. Why would she want to remain in communion with it?

  18. Neither her nor Schumer represents the Catholic, Christian values and they don’t give a damn about this country 😡 their position is all about greed, power, glory and their lobbyist, special interests!😡They both should have been spelled from the church a long time ago! Jacky Kennedy Onassis was spelled for a lot less ( marrying outside the church)

  19. If a politician “professes” to be a devout Catholic, then they must behave like one. We must lead by example. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples. Although the Catholics are in the front on this matter, it’s a case for all humanity.
    No matter what faith, or lack thereof, a person may have, we are ALL humans. Adopting the practice of destroying your prodigy will ultimately result in extinction. Pray for wisdom.

  20. She needs to be thrown out of the church along with any other catholic politicians that support this bill. It’s murder any way one looks at it. She’s going against the church and it’s belief.

  21. Confessing with your mouth but not believing in your heart is basically the same thing as taking an oath without including the words “So help me GOD”. It means nothing to anyone, especially GOD.

  22. Well It’s about time the Catholic church stood up for the life of the unborn. We all know about the Catholics stand about the life of the unborn but to allow a demon seed like Nancy Pelosi to receive Holy Communion is just plain wrong. Frankly I think the Catholic church should not allow her in the house of God either. She and Chuck should refrain from breathing.

  23. More of us so called Catholics are going to BURN in Hell for all Eternity as sister Pius always told us boys. But all the girls were going to heaven … Bet Father Aundry and McGinnity knew better.

  24. I think the Bishop in Springfield did the right thing. It should be followed by like action in San Francisco and most importantly New York. Wake up Card. Dolan!

  25. This POS should have been ex-communicated by now for 1) supporting abortion, 2) being alive!! Ya gotta wonder, who votes for this skank?? Ohh, silly me, It represents the land of fruits and nuts!!! And is a shining example of a state that should fall off into the ocean!!

  26. Seriously it’s one of the reasons I don’t go to church is due to the abuses within the church and it’s turning an eye to “catholics” who support such amoral actions. Sure “give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and all that” but I don’t think it applied in killing the unborn – especially when many are just for “convenience”.
    The justice comes when you read that birth rates are the lowest in 30 years and that we are approaching a
    point where the births will be lower than deaths = negative growth and not enough people ( excluding the
    illegals ) to even maintain the population. I’ve always wondered how “professed christians” of all faith can justify breaking the basic ten commandments.

  27. If your considered dead when your heart stops beating shouldn’t you be considered alive when it starts beating. Anyone who thinks killing a baby is ok is not a Christian.

  28. Anyone who thinks killing an unborn child is not a Catholic or even a Christian of any denomination. If you are a Christian that means you believe in Jesus Christ and He forbids the killing of any human being and that includes a baby in the womb. I had six children and when I knew I was pregnant I did not say I was having apiece of tissue or a fetus, I said I was going to have a baby. It is horrible the ways that they murder these innocent, helpless children of God. The day of reckoning will come.

  29. I have wondered when a priest or bishop would speak out about this issue. Should be the same across the USA.

  30. i can not think of one of the ten commandments that pe-lousy has not broken, the baby-killers in the demon-crap party do not deserve to be called human , they have NO MORALS NO COMMON SENSE, NO SENSE OF PRIDE, AND NO BRAIN.

  31. Dumb question….have any of those so called Catholic politicians…even TRIED to go to church….sit through mass…take the Host….or confess their sins? I can’t see them sitting quietly and reverently while the priest talks about “revere life” “honor the Father, Son aand Holy Spirit” not after working so hard to expunge God from the government they were HIRED to serve in. FIRE THEIR ASSES….AND EXCOMMUNICATE!! Come on your Holiness…..time to speak up…stop buttering up to the satan lovers!!!

  32. Publicly denounce all “Roman Catholic” politicians who violate Church doctrine by supporting abortion, excommunicate them as long as they insist on violating God’s laws!

  33. Anyone that does not follow the teaching of the church should not be giving communion. If she ever came to the church that I am giving the host, I would not give it to her.. I have done it before because I knew the person was a democrat .

    • That was what I was thinking. Where is the outcry on all those pedophiles in the church? Why are they still allowed to take communion?

      • Because of the cover up. This pope also covered up pedophile priest . The catholic church is going to burn in hell . Why do they not allow priest to marry but they tell everyone to go out an multiply. Is it because the church doesn’t want to have to pay for ins. for the family , etc. They need to practice what they preach. I don’t believe that you have to go to church to believe in God. I’ve often wondered why the sisters of the church give up everything but the priest are treated like royalty even when they molest children, sister’s, etc. The church is a fraud.

          • You claim you can decide who is human and who is not, who has human rights and who has not. All according to your own whim, against basic biological knowledge about human being. Pedophiles have exactly THE SAME right to decide if children are humans or are not, if children have human rights or not.
            Are you such a hipocrite to usurp the right – decide who is human and who is not – for yourself and deny it for other? You simple are not honest enough to admit that baby killers and pedophiles do exactly the same.

          • It is all about consent. It is the woman’s body, if she doesn’t’ give consent, then the fetus goes, since it cannot survive outside of the womb.

            On the other hand, a child (one that was born outside of the womb and took its first breath) is not old enough to give consent, so anything done to that child is by force.

            These are my definitions, but biology, medical and science.

          • Biology, philosophy and science – these all creates total chaos in your head. Biology has never claimed that human being starts outside womb, with first breath or consent (actually biology cares s… about consent, will and so on). Biology always claims that fetus is human being in early stage.
            Being outside womb, first breath and now – consent is your PRIVATE, PHILOSOPHICAL definition of human being. The same like Nazis, slavery or racism also have their own, philosophical definitions of people (In reality supremacy used to decide who is master human being, who is worse human being, whereas pro choices go farther – to decide who is human being and who is not. The students has outgrown his masters.)
            Consent is matter of law, NOT biology. Everybody knows that making sex can lead to new human being inside womb. Decision to make sex means consent to its consequences – new life. Everybody, who has brain bigger than a peanut, must take consequences of own decisions&actions.

          • You can disagree with science, biology, and medicine all you want. That is on you. You need to bring that up with them. I am just stating facts from them.

        • Suz, I am sorry you feel that way. When the apostles followed Jesus they left behind their families and all they had, thereafter, men who wanted to follow Jesus, became priests, they too leave their families and possessions and cannot marry. Yes, God said go and multiply, but that was not meant for priests or sisters, (nuns) who are also required to leave their families. You can also believe in God and have a spiritual relationship with Him without having to go to church. But church is God’s home and we go there to worship him, to pray, and give thanks for all He does and gives us. My mother used to say “the devil never sleeps” and unfortunately the devil is everywhere, even in churches. Sadly, the Catholic Church has gone through some tremendously bad times with their clergy’s child molestations. To make matters worse, those in high authority within the church turned their heads the other way and neglected to apply the right corrective measures. Do you think all this is God’s doing or wishes? Of course not. One can be very upset and disappointed at the church itself, but never to God. He gave us free will to use and choose as we please. Priests and sisters are no different than you and I. Those accused of pedophilia in the Catholic church or any other church also had free will. They all chose wrong. None of what they did had anything to do with God.

  34. Excommuncation would be good for her! Denying God and all things decent is a crying shame, since she really doesn’t mean any of it, she is just trying to stay up with the lunatics in her party. WHY????? She is numbering her own days with this crap. Too bad. God will sort it out!

  35. I knew she said she was a Catholic but I didn’t think she was a practicing Catholic. She must live in the confessional. If she doesn’t she better take a day off and go to confess her sins. I guess a day will do it but if not she could go back the next day. She better understand that means she cannot continue to sin or it won’t work. You are suppose to go to confession and when you leave try not to sin again. I hope all of her Christian constituents get rid of her next election. Hope it is soon.

    • Are you serious? She’s from San Francisco, Satan’s cesspool. Most people don’t vote and those that do just vote for the “D” and don’t even know who she is!!

  36. I don’t believe what I am reading.This Pelosi fiasco has an easy fix.Pelosi is excommunicated!This fiasco shows just how Off the Catholic Religion really is.The Pope would have us believe that Catholicism is the Real Religion of Jesus.BOLOGNA!Catholicism is how I was raised.I met Pope John 23rd in Roma in 1961.He was a Real Person,now he is a Saint.I believe that all we need to do is believe in jesus and also live one’s life accordingly.No one Religion is the Only Religion.Believing in jesus is the Only ONE.Not allowing Pelosi to receive Holy Communion on sunday at church is Not much of a punishment for her distorted thinking!Maybe its time for the Catholic church to Weed Out unfaithfuls form their Flock in order to remain a Dominant Religion.WAKE UP POPE Listen to Bishop Thomas John Paprocki from Illinois.

  37. She should be kicked out of the church her beliefs go against everything in the Bible, she is a disgrace to your religion!

  38. Pelosi has already broken the 6th commandment – “Thou shalt not MURDER!” – so at this point, no sacrament can save her soul. To me, she’s one of those people I call “In-name-only-Christian.” in other words, she’s a fake Christian who talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk…and no amount of her stammering and memory failure can get her out of this one when she’s standing before the Judgment Throne!

  39. Anyone, as Obama, and all his Muslim defending cult has make it their goal to crucify Christians, as they have proved their morality, behavior, and ultimate betrayal to all humanity, makes them below the standards to be a Christian.
    Christians cultivated this country to shield us from the beliefs of those with Anti-Christian or pagan beliefs. These cults of people have infiltrated any and all of our Christian sanctuaries to proclaim a complete demise to all of God’s teaching.
    Remember the last Pope mysteriously stepped down to allow Obama to insert the Pope of his liking, as he has done in our courts, senate, and all other forms of leadership thru out the world. Remember his Airplane trip before he was disallowed a third term. “He is Obama’s Pope.”

  40. My vote is a DEFINITE YES, though I am a Protestant, Mrs. Pelosi and every single US Congressional Member, who did approve/vote to break any of The Holy Bibles Ten Commandments and even speak against any of the USA’s Allies including The One And Only God Almighty (who does not have a name), and especially The Jewish (Israelites) People and The State Of Israel, truly have to be FIRED from the office in the USA’s Government, and this type of US Leaders need to make a choice to STOP breaking and enforce any and all part of The US Constitution, this also means those Dangerous, Deadly Violent And Destructive Islamic Muslim People, who also have to take The Oath On The Holy Bible (NOT That Dangerous, Deadly Violent And Destructive Koran [Quran],To Protect The Legally Elected US President Mr. Donald John Trump, The US Constitution and all of those Amendments that are attached and We The Legal Citizens/People And The Legal Immigrants Of The USA from those Illegal Immigrant-Aliens who continuously use The USA’s Southern Border like it is a Old Fashioned Unsecured Department Stores Revolving Front And Back Doors, which IS ILLEGAL TOO!!!!!!!

    • The Bible is more violent than the Qu’ran.

      An analysis into whether the Quran is more violent than the Bible found killing and destruction occur more frequently in the Christian texts than the Islamic.

  41. Kaci, you are right about one thing it is her body. It does take two to make a baby. So she needs to take birth control or unless it is rape the other thing she can do is keeps her legs closed. To many times she thinks having a baby will keep a man. That never hardly ever works. So women step up and do you part don’t have sex.

  42. Kaci, if you think the Bible is more violent then the Quran. I think you might think about moving to where it is law. Have you ever wondered why those same people came to the United States instead of staying where Quran is law just something to think about.

    • I don’t think the Bible is more violent than the Qu’ran, qualified analysists do. And it isn’t just one. ALL of them state the same thing. They have compared both holy texts with each other, counted the violent acts up and then posted the results. Those are the facts, not a theory. Research it yourself.

  43. Kaci, what happened to ( no) if that doesn’t work run away fast as you can. I agree that both men and women have to be responsible. What we need to stop is one night stands and the next day crying foul. Just remember there is no birth control for men yet. If you ever see a little baby in the womb and hear its heart beat you would be doing murder. If you are wondering how I know I seen for myself and it tells you why women are so upset when they miscarry. They feel they have killed there baby or there body has.

    • Uhm, actually there is male birth control pills. The male oral contraceptive is called 11-beta-methyl-19-nortestosterone dodecylcarbonate, or 11-beta-MNTDC. But there is also the condom, absence, pulling out, and vasectomies for men.

  44. Kaci, what happened to ( no) if that doesn’t work run away fast as you can. I agree that both men and women have to be responsible. What we need to stop is one night stands and the next day crying foul. Just remember there is no birth control for men yet. If you ever see a little baby in the womb and hear its heart beat you would be doing murder. If you are wondering how I know I seen for myself and it tells you why women are so upset when they miscarry. They feel they have killed there baby or there body has. Never said this before.

  45. Kaci, you are right both men and women need to be careful. As of right now there is no birth control for men to take. So step up women and take your pills.

    • Yes, Jan, there are pills for men now. But you are aware that birth control does not always work, right?

      When you stop blaming just females, then I will continue with this silly debate.

  46. They should all be ex-communicated from receiving Communion!

    It is a grave sin against the Body of Christ1!!

  47. Would love to see Nancy Pelosi kicked out of the Catholic church. She certainly doesn’t know her Bible and doesn’t live the Christian faith if she believes in same sex marriage and abortion. If she is so crazy about abortion, why didn’t she abort some of her 5 kids? Too bad she wasn’t aborted!

    • She isn’t “crazy about abortion”. She believes that women have the right to decide what is right for themselves. Pro-choice doesn’t mean pro-abortion. Pro-choice means exactly what it is saying, the right to choose, for choice. Pro-choice women have children. A lot of pro-choice women never even had an abortion, but they support those who decide that is what is right for them.

      And speaking of bibles, it seems that you are the one who doesn’t know her bible.

      According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being. One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath. This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either. Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it; the rest are aborted.

      God has decreed, for one reason or another, that at least one-third of all pregnancies shall be terminated by a spontaneous abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy and that a number will be terminated after the first trimester. It would appear that God does not have any more regard for the loss of a fetus than he does for the loss of a placenta or a foreskin despite the fact that these were living tissue as the result of conception.

      In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.

      The abortion recipe in Numbers.

      The bible also states the life begins at first breath.

      After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.

      In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

      Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live, and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

      • You are way out there, Kaci. Is understandable if you are a feminist. Do you know that the bible is interpreted different ways. It depends on how the reader interprets it and he or she will believe what he/she wants to believe.

        • That is true to a point. I also have a bachelor’s degree in Ministry and an ex Sunday school student. So I am just not talking about my opinion, but what is actually written.

  48. The truth is any politician who professes to be Catholic, and for whatever reason will not practice and abide by Church teachings, and speaks out in support of abortion, is in fact a heretic and should be subjected to ecclesiastical censure. This could eventually lead to excommunication.

  49. Finally someone from the Catholic Church is taking action. Sure is more than what Pope Francis has said.
    He prefers to stir conflict about the wall but when it comes to abortion which is a lot more important, he has remained quiet, at least publicly. Thank you, Bishop Paprocki, for taking this stance. As a Catholic, I am very proud of you.

  50. Kaci, I have seen your post in other articles, you repeat the same story over and over. I am glad Bishop Paprocki banned those who approved abortion from receiving communion. I take it you are not a Christian, even the devil quoted scriptures from the Bible when he tempted Jesus. I do not know you, but wonder if you have children. If you do, let’s say (hypothetically) you had a son name Ricky, if you would have aborted him, Ricky would not have been born. It took ever stage from conception till his birth to make Ricky (dna) who he is. If you abort him before birth, you did not give Ricky the opportunity to live his live on earth, like your mother did you. Is that fair to Ricky?

    • If you read my posts then you would that I am an ex Sunday school teacher who has a bachelor’s degree in Ministry.

      Is it fair to a woman to risk her own life for a possible life if she doesn’t want a child? Every minute, at least one woman dies from complications related to pregnancy or childbirth – that means 529,000 women a year. In addition, for every woman who dies in childbirth, around 20 more suffer injury, infection or disease – approximately 10 million women each year. 
      – According to World Health Organization

      Essentially that means every single DAY, 1,500 women will die unnecessarily during childbirth. 
      Guess how many women die during legal abortions?  Only 12 in 2009 for the entire US.  

      Do you also have any idea what pregnancy does to a woman’s body? It sometimes never goes back to the way it was before being pregnant. Saggy breasts, stomach, stretch marks, big thighs, cellulite, hair loss, risking bleeding to death, sepsis, postpartum depression, morning sickness, paralysis, heart failure, high blood pressure, gestational diabetes, pica, nausea, swelling, pain, added weight and not to mention labor itself, etc. Pregnancy and childbirth can weaken the pelvic floor muscles and, in some cases, cause damage to the nerves controlling the bladder– regardless of how you deliver. If a person did any of this to another person without their consent, it would be considered assault.

  51. My Late father grew up Catholic but converted to a Protestant as an young adult. His view of Catholicism was that it is adaptable depending upon the situation. The current Pope espouses a lot of Marxist Theology which isn’t the normal viewpoint of a lot of non Marxist Catholics living in a free society. I think the reason why Pelosi and other high profile American Catholics are not excommunicated are for the same reasons Catholics now have a Marxist Pope in the Vatican.

    • Dear Kacie, I apologize for not spelling your name correctly in earlier post. I don’t have the time or wherewithal to give you a lesson in Bible study. The scriptures you quoted were largely presented out of text. Ezekiel 37 is a prophecy to God returning the Jews to Israel, not building a human from “dry bones”. Exodus 21 speaks of a miscarriage accidentally induced by two men fighting. You have however commented wisely about the control religion exerts over the masses. This is one of the reasons Jesus hated religion, you’ll find that in the Gospels when Jesus told the most religious leaders of the time they were as vipers and whitewashed tombs. Religion is defined as the traditions of men and “the traditions of men make the Word of God of no effect”. True religion is caring for orphans and widows, book of James. True Christianity is not religion, it’s a relationship with The Creator of all, His name is Jesus. Without Him and the Holy Spirit you will continue to have eyes that don’t see and ears that don’t hear. You have obviously read and been taught about the Bible, you may know about Jesus with your mind, such was I for many years. I was a drug addicted alcoholic that was thrown out of a rehab unit and told to go home and die. For brevity sake, I gave my life (heart) to Christ. I found believing with your mind doesn’t do you any good. That was 30 years ago and I’m still clean & sober with no desire to go back. I’m a man with an experience not an argument. I will pray for you and hope to see you in Glory.

      • I have a bachelor’s degree in Ministry. I taught Sunday school for over 20 years. I had been christened and baptist. I have even spoken in tongues. I was in church every time the doors were open. There was not a day that I didn’t go to church. I organized Christian clubs and held office as a church leader. I had god in my heart, my mind, and my soul. I boycotted everything under the sun that was against God. I destroyed my album and cd collection of music of secular music. I threw out books that were of secular reading. I only watch Christian shows. But then I did something different. I didn’t just study the bible, I read it from cover to cover, three times. It is then when I became an atheist. It was then I discovered the lies that I was taught and that I taught others.

        If your beliefs help you and it is what you need than I support that. I support your beliefs. I never try to convert anyone. That is not my mission in life. But I will stand up to lies that are being taught in Christian society.

  52. A few comments: The only human being in the history of the creation of man was performed by a miracle! What human being today has the power to fashion a human body from clay and breath the breath of life into him? From his live (but asleep) body a rib was removed and that rib (Adam’s clone) became a living breathing woman. No other human in history was brought to life in that way. Eve became the mother of all living through natural child birth. Human babies while in the womb receive oxygenated blood through the mother. A natural hole in the baby’s heart between chambers that normally pump blood into the lungs bypasses the lungs until that baby is “born” and draws its first breath. Prior to “birth,” the “baby”, “fetus” or whatever nomenclature is used to define the living being inside the womb is alive. Its heart beats. It dreams (or at least the brain waves present are those of a sleeping, dreaming person although I have no clue as to what it may be dreaming about!) Fetuses tend to suck their thumbs. Why? It is a reflex just as it is a reflex when the mother places the baby to her breast for the very first time and it begins to suck. The argument boils down to when does life begin in the womb? Obviously it is at the moment of conception when the “lucky” sperm and egg meet. The chromosomes of both parents are given to the life form at conception! The DNA once combined “programs” the fetus determining such life characteristics as eye color, hair color and texture, racial context, intellectual capacity, and growth among other things. The “stages” of growth represent an average time when these things take place (inside the womb and even beyond after the birth process. ) One more thing: seed always bears after its own kind! Apples to apples, watermelons to watermelons, dogs to dogs, cats to cats, elephants to elephants, humans to humans. The woman is pregnant from the moment of conception if it is viable. She will have a miniature human being rather than an ape although the genetics are 98 per cent similar.

    • An acorn is not an oak tree.
      A zygote is not a person.

      The bible does talk about breath being life in other parts of the book after Adam.
      In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

      Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live, and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

  53. Listen to yourselves, you have generally thrilled that a member of the Christian faith could be kicked out of the church for having different views than yourselves. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Even Jesus dined with sinners. Is this how Jesus would have acted? Isn’t the relationship between a person and god a personal one? Who are you to judge her? When has each of you been without sin? Cast the first stone if you are without sin. Shame, shame, shame.

    • We “judge a tree by the fruit it bears.” If you really studied the Bible as you said, you’d realize that you’re trying to be the judge, just as those you’re criticizing! You say you’re Atheist, but by the several times you’ve tried so hard to send everybody else to Hell, you’ve acknowledged God’s existence.

  54. No she and any other catholic that promotes abortion should not be allowed to receive Holy Communion since they are knowingly,willingly and full conscience commit a grave sin against God

    • First, it isn’t your place to judge. Second, did she personally do any procedures of abortion herself? Third, has she had an abortion herself?

      Abortion isn’t against god or the bible.

  55. No she and any other catholic that promotes abortion should not be allowed to receive Holy Communion since they are knowingly,willingly and full conscience commit a grave sin against God. This the first time that I made this comment

  56. The Bible is full of warnings about people like Pelosi. Muderers, debauchery, liars, cheaters, schemers, those who bear false witness, the greedy and the lazy. Pelosi fits all of these along with her corrupt comrades. She is a divider and she abuses her power and she is wastful. She is the worst speaker of house there had ever been. She needs to give us a break and retire. She had outlived her usefullness.

  57. They never should have been able to recieve Holy Communion in the first place, abortion is a mortal sin even if you support it, they have given up their Catholic faith for the party.

        • Then explain the abortion recipe in the bible. Or the ordering of killing all children and pregnant women, slicing open their bellies. Or the only counting the babies older than 1-month-old.

          Nowhere in the bible does it say that abortion is a sin.

          • I don’t recall reading an abortion recipe, where can I find it and the slicing of bellies?

          • Come on Kaci, you’re really grasping at straws here. The “abortion recipe” is holy water and dust from the floor of the tabernacle. It speaks to determining adultery NOT pregnancy and says nothing about abortion or miscarriage. If guilty the result is a curse resulting in infertility. The ripping of bellies in Numbers 5 God is telling Sumaria that since they chose to worship the baals , which by the way required child sacrifice, they would be attacked by the Assyrians and the war crimes would include the barbaric practice of ripping children from the mothers belly. Does that sound familiar?
            Did you ever wonder where demons came from or why God would order Israel to commit genocide and wipe out an entire races? Doesn’t sound like a very loving God to me. I’m going to challenge you to see If you can answer these question for me, as I have answered yours. The answer to both these questions stems from the same reason, this may require some extra Biblical research. I’ll give you a starting point Gen 6 and what was it really like “in the days of Noah”

          • Wrong again.

            This passage says that if a man suspects his wife to have been unfaithful (and thus subject to becoming pregnant by someone else), he can take her to the priest who will prescribe the “bitter water,” that the Hebrews believed to be an abortifacient produced by combining pennyroyal with black cohosh, for a potion that will magically indicate whether she is innocent or guilty of the offense. Oh, and by the way, this potion was also believed to be something that could terminate any unwanted pregnancy that might also have existed.

            Note that this is part of the Law of Moses. This is not a specific instance to a particular individual or couple. This was a general prescription of practice for God’s “Chosen People” — the Jews — from whom the promised Messiah was supposed to appear.

            The reference in this passage is to the Hebrew ritual of Sotah, using an ancient abortifacient of “bitter water” described in the King James Version as “ephah of barley meal.”

            The ritual is required in cases where a man suspects that his wife may have been impregnated by another man. According to the Hebrews’ superstitions about the ritual of Sotah, if the woman were guilty, any possible bastard fetus would be expelled (aborted) but would remain safe if she were innocent.

            While abortion per se is not mentioned here or anywhere else in the Bible, the references to Sotah causing “thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell,” as well as the “curse” to a woman (the loss of a pregnancy or the barrenness of total infertility), may not be clearly understood by many readers in our time, but would be clearly understood in the era in which it was written. There are many non-scriptural accounts showing how herbal abortifacients were employed, using herbal methods such as combining pennyroyal with black cohosh or blue cohosh [more detailed accounts and precise methods can be found by going to any search engine, such as Google and typing in as required keywords: “cohosh blue black pennyroyal abortion”].

            Now read gods words again:

            20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

          • Wow! I don’t know where you got your “information” but is must have been The New Living Liberal Translation and Interpretation. I am not able to copy and paste to show you the error of your ways but the scriptures, when taken in context, simply don’t say what you’re advocating. 1) this part of the law has nothing to do with pregnancy, only faithfulness. 2) the barley meal was an offering that was as a remembrance of husbands jealousy. It was burned on the alter not mixed with “bitter water”. 3) The “bitter water” was holy water mixed with dust from the floor of the tabernacle. It only became bitter, or as a curse, if the woman had been unfaithful. If unfaithful it would cause her abdomen swell and her thigh to dry up and she would be a a curse to the rest of her people. If not guilty the said aborifacient would have no effect and the woman would be able to conceive. Once again nothing said about her being pregnant.
            I am guessing your remark about God destroying a whole planet was in reference to the flood of Noah. Why did God have to destroy the whole planet? What was it really like in the days of Noah, that will be again at the end of this age. Where did the demons come from? These are all interrelated. Lets see how well they taught you at university or does your search engine and concordance only work for abortion answers? How can people who know not the Truth teach truth?

          • It wasn’t taken out of context. If you read the bible in the original Hebrew, you would see.

          • If you read it in Hebrew you would not be reading the Bible, you would be reading the Torah which is a scroll, or the Pentateuch if a book and I’m quite confident you didn’t read it in Hebrew. Even the Hebrew Bible doesn’t support anything you are advocating. What about answering my questions? I have answered yours.

          • The Torah is only the first 5 books of the Old Testament, which is all written in Hebrew. The New Testament was written in Greek. I studied Hebrew in college and I am Greek, so knew how to read and write in Greek already.

          • That’s great, I suggest you read Numbers 5:28 in the Septuagint and tell me where there is any mention of pregnancy or miscarriage. Her “thigh rotting” is her womb drying up as a result of the curse not from anything the Priest gave her. Agreed?

          • Why would I read a transcript of the original text instead of just reading the original text? Words get lost in translation.

          • Try this answer instead then:
            One doesn’t read a translation of a text when they can read the original text. Words can be lost in translation.

          • Your lack of truth is showing, neither translation confirms your deception and you know it. I would really like to know what happened in your life that precipitated your polarization. I know, none of my bussiness, and that’s right but I will continue to pray for you.

          • It is not my place to make you believe anything. If you don’t believe me, it will not devastate me. I can only give you the truth and what you do with it is your business. Believe it or not, it was reading the Bible that turned me. After reading the Bible cover to cover for the fourth time, my eyes were open to its fallacies. The more I dug into finding the truth, the less I believed.

            I will continue to think for you.

          • Kaci, You have such well-formed arguments and such knowledge and have had divinity training as well. You appear also to have had a personal relationship with Jesus, but something happened along the way after reading the Bible cover-to-cover twice and so you turned away to atheism. That is unfortunate. The Jesus in the New Testament shows that He is a loving God who came down from Heaven to become man and suffer as no other has ever suffered or ever will, so that we can share eternity with Him. All that was to change our archaic perception of the law-giving and vengeful God of the Old Testament. I pray that one day you will be able to rekindle your relationship with Jesus. There are so many miracles that occur every day, including the gift of life that comes from the Creator. You ask what a genuine Catholic is? It is one who follows the teaching of the Catholic faith, the Church that Jesus founded here on earth, following the Bible, Ten Commandments, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Catechism is based on the Bible, but made up of all the tradition passed down by theologians, scholars, and Church Fathers that Jesus initially bestowed on Peter and through the rite of succession down to Pope Francis today. Nancy Pelosi is not following and is going against the teachings of the Church. A catholic who is in a state of mortal sin, cannot receive Holy Communion until one has confessed their sin in the Sacrament of Reconciliation and been absolved. This is what the Bishop in Illinois has stated against the folks in the state legislature who led the drive and voted for the latest law on abortion. You asked “to show where these exact words are in the bible: Abortion is a sin?” Keeping in mind that the teachings or Doctine of the Church consist of the Bible and tradition, I refer you to one synopsis of references at: https://www.catholic.com/tract/abortion. Within that list of references is the following: “Thus, in 1995 Pope John Paul II declared that the Church’s teaching on abortion “is unchanged and unchangeable. Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his successors . . . I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written word of God, is transmitted by the Church’s tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal magisterium. No circumstance, no purpose, no law whatsoever can ever make licit an act which is intrinsically illicit, since it is contrary to the law of God which is written in every human heart, knowable by reason itself, and proclaimed by the Church” (Evangelium Vitae 62).” Again I pray that you find again the God imprinted in your heart. God be with you.

          • Please stop. I am not trying to convert anyone and I expect the same respect. If god and your beliefs work for you, that is great. I support that. I support your choice to believe what makes you feel good. I just want the same in return.

            And I will think for you.

          • John McKean, I did some research on Catholics and found that you are wrong about the Catholic church’s beliefs on abortion.

            Catholic teachings on abortion have changed over time. Although the Catholic hierarchy says that the prohibition on abortion is both “unchanged” and “unchangeable,” this does not comport with the actual history of abortion teaching, and dissent, within the church.

            The Catechism contains only six paragraphs on abortion. This brief section starts: “Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable.” While the Catholic church has long taught that abortion is a sin, the reasons for judging abortion sinful have changed over time. In fact, through most of history the church did not pay much attention to abortion except as a sexual issue.

            The early prohibition of abortion was not based on concern about the fetus. It was based on a view that
            only people who engage in forbidden sexual activity would attempt abortion and that abortion is wrong from
            either an ontological perspective or from a negative judgment about sexuality and sexual behavior, known
            as the perversity view. “The ontological view is that the human fetus is a person from the earliest moments
            of conception, hence to abort it is either murder or something closely approximating murder; the perversity view is that sex is only licit within marriage and for the primary purpose of having children, hence abortion perverts sex and is immoral in the same way that contraception is immoral.” (Dombrowski and Deltete, A Brief, Liberal, Catholic Defense of Abortion, University of Illinois Press, 2000)

            The perversity view is no longer much argued explicitly within the Catholic church, though it underlies many
            of the hierarchy’s arguments. Many church officials and anti-choice Catholics now focus on the ontological
            view, which argues that the fetus is a person from the moment of conception. This view, however, is based
            on faulty science, dating from the 17th century, when scientists, looking at fertilized eggs through magnifying glasses and primitive microscopes, imagined that they saw tiny, fully formed animal fetuses.

            The church hierarchy has since rejected the notion that a fetus is a fully formed person. In the 1974 Declaration on Procured Abortion, the Vatican acknowledged that it does not know when the fetus becomes a person: “There is not a unanimous tradition on this point and authors are as yet in disagreement.” This disagreement has a long history as well; neither St. Augustine nor St. Thomas Aquinas, two of the most important theologians in the Catholic tradition, considered the fetus in the early stages of pregnancy to be a person.

            The US Supreme Court explored fetal personhood at some length in its Roe v. Wade decision and concluded: “When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man’s knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer.”

            Even in a predominantly Catholic country, laws governing access to abortion need not adhere to the official Catholic position. The Second Vatican Council’s Declaration on Religious Freedom reinforced the call for Catholics to respect the positions of people of other faiths. This is particularly significant given that the Catholic hierarchy’s positions on health policies, including abortion, are more conservative than those of other major faith groups. In addition, as noted, many Catholics do not support the Vatican’s position on abortion.

            Sound public policy on abortion would affirm respect for developing life without diminishing respect for women’s lives. Catholics can and do support public policies that acknowledge the moral agency of women, respect developing life, and appreciate the Catholic tradition while honoring the views of other faith groups.

            Church teachings may not be imposed
            Despite what many think, the Vatican may not impose teachings on an unwilling faithful. Through the concept of reception, Catholics have a role to play in the establishment of church law.

            The popular notion that whatever the pope says on a serious topic is infallible is an exaggeration of the principle of infallibility. While some ultra-conservative groups claim that the teaching on abortion is infallible, it does not, in fact, meet the definition of an infallible teaching. Since the doctrine of papal infallibility was first declared in 1870, only three teachings have been declared infallible: the Immaculate Conception of Mary; the Assumption of Mary; and the declaration on infallibility itself.

            Summary
            Church teachings, tradition and core Catholic tenets— including the primacy of conscience, the role of the
            faithful in defining legitimate laws and norms, and support for the separation of church and state—
            leave room for supporting a more liberal position on abortion. The Vatican has acknowledged that it does
            not know when the fetus becomes a person and has never declared its position on abortion to be infallible.
            Catholics can, in good conscience, support access to abortion and affirm that abortion can be a moral choice. Indeed, many of us do.

  58. I agree. Nancy Pelosi and any other politician who, though they claim to be catholic, that support abortion and any other things that go against the catholic church, should not not only not receive communion but be expelled until such times they had time to reflect on their bad decision and repent. They have given scandal and bad example.

  59. Thank you Bishop Thomas John Paprocki, and please put some pressure on your crazy Pope who obviously does not belong as the Pope or even as a Catholic. He has become insane and makes the Church looks so bad. My Catholic friends are embarrassed to say they are Catholic right now and haven’t been going to Church because of your Pope. You need a new Pope yesterday! He is not following the Catholic Doctrine whatsoever.

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