Millions of Americans might switch churches after what one denomination said about abortion

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To Christians, there are few issues more important than fighting against abortion.

The millions of unborn children are made in the image of God, making it personal to Christians.

And millions of American might switch churches after what one denomination said about abortion.

If one were to ask virtually any Southern Baptist churchgoer, they would be strongly against abortion and supportive of the fight to end it.

But as it turns out, the Southern Baptist Convention doesn’t agree with that sentiment.

The Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC), which is the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, just came out stating that Christians should not preach against abortion from the pulpit, on the street corner, or in bumper stickers or social media posts.

They claim that it is “hurtful to women.”

Pulpit & Pen reports:

A new blog post at the ERLC tells Christians not to preach against abortion from the pulpit, on the street corner, and not to use pro-life/anti-abortion bumper-stickers or slogans in social media. It is hurtful to women, they argue.

The Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC) of the Southern Baptist Convention is supposed to represent the views of the nation’s largest Protestant denomination. However, it is run by a leftist political operative and former Democratic staffer, Russell Moore. In the ERLC’s latest attempt to steer evangelicalism to the left, its blog is now telling people not preach against abortion, whether in the street or from behind the pulpit.

Please note before proceeding that the ERLC utilized Karen Swallow Prior as a research fellow for years, who famously wrote in Christianity Today that “Abortion isn’t murder” and “calling abortionists murderers is unchristlike.” Russell Moore continued to defend Prior during and after that controversy and then helped secure her a job at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. Also, please note that as the pro-life movement had the best year (2019) in the movement’s history with groundbreaking anti-abortion laws in many states, the ERLC was utterly silent on the topic.

While the statement from the ERLC surely does not represent most Southern Baptist churchgoers, it does represent the church as a whole considering their partnership with the Southern Baptist Convention.

Would you ever attend a church that is pro-abortion?

Let us know your thoughts in the comment section below.

236 COMMENTS

    • If that is the truth. The Southern Baptists are still against Abortion. what they now is Against, because they were freed from their Hypnotic spell of Trump,, the anti-Christ, He has claimed to be the king of the Jews.He also claims to be the anointed one. He is a man who bragged about barging into dressing rooms of the contestants in his beauty contests. some had been for Girls as young as 13 years old. Him having connections to Epstein to me is natural

      • I find and see no truth in what you say. You hate Pres. Trump, I understand that but prove your point in what you say. You know not of which you are talking.

          • Sharon, I only hope more people see and understand what you said. In America, he has millions of useful idiots who have bought his lies and let them sink into their souls. There is a great delusion occurring in the US and one of the sure signs that someone has been blinded is this hate Trump syndrome…it is diagnostic!

          • Sharon, unfortunately, they’re getting a foothold in some important places, including the churches and companies such as Chick-fil-A. We must battle them on every front.

        • So sad to see representative of this great institution turning to satan for guidance. OH HOW I MISS ADRIAN ROGERS. He would be quick to challenge these liberal idiots and prove by Holy Scripture how wrong they are. First, the top man is a muslim. Everyone should read the koran and see the numerous places where mohammad says allah does not believe the triune Godhead, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That proves that their god, allah is not our God. Next, abortion is murder. Plain and simple. Our conflicting laws even prove thiis by charging a killer of a pregnant woman with 2 cases of murder. Yet, will let an abortion clinic kill babies up until birth.. GOD HELP US. THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CCONVENTION LEADERSHIP IS GOING TO HELL!

          • Nicely said, Bill Martin. Please note to one and all, Allah is the Saudi Arabian moon god, and I know that God Almighty (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). HaShem (Hebrew for G_d) is the One and Only Creator, Who made all that exists, both seen and unseen, and HE Created all cLIFE. The Southern Baptist Convention is NOT GOD, for GOD is the true Creator of Life, and Abortion is MURDER, in spite of the various laws permitting abortion.
            Chief Grey Eagle

      • This has nothing to do with President Trump. But, a Trump hater will always use any and all subject matter to put down the President. As for the Southern Baptist Church to be concerned with the feelings of women who are pro-abortion says that they are turning away from life that God gives to the unborn. Are we to obey the precepts of man who is sinful or to the laws of God? Choose who you will serve…..God or man.

        • — Orrie — Thank you for your comments. They are spot on. This explains why the Southern Baptist organization has been silent for many years on the abortion issue. I type this as I am getting ready to attend one of those churches. Not because I am totally enthralled with this particular church, but because it is the best one within fifty miles. The price I pay for making the decision to live in a rural area. But then again, other places might not be any better.

          • One point to consider. SBC churches are independent. NO ONE outside the individual church tells us what to or not to preach.
            I, for one, have to justify myself to God, not some official.
            As a pastor, I will continue to preach against abortion, it is murder, pure and simple. At the same time, I and my church will also continue to offer any aid we can to help any woman who needs assistance in her present plight. Jesus openly opposed sin and yet gave His life for the sinner. Can we do no less if we claim to follow Him?

        • My opinion as a 82 years young great grandmother & Catholic, military widow (female(…… I believe killing is ——— murder. However, to each his own….between the person(s) & their own religion/God. “Who are we/you to judge?” As Christians, atheist, humans, whatever…..Antoinette

          • But we are called to share the truth.

            That is not passing judgment.

            It is one’s actions that convict them, causing guilt and shame, which brings one to seek forgiveness or respond in denial.

            BTW, I to am Catholic.

          • I’m not considering it judgement to profess God’s will- I believe the Bible(I wish I were a better follower) Jesus Christ is the only Way to Heaven. According to the LNC, either I’m correct, or all the others are. Both cannot be true. Blessings

        • AMEN! AMEN! To serve man is death. To serve GOD, is life. To bad that these unborn children never had a chance to serve. However, because of their Innocents. They have a pass straight to the bosom of God. As for the murders? Their blood is on their hands. May they find mercy from GOD before their judgement.

      • The Demacrat party is out for your money any way they can. In fact and truth they have said they want 70 percent income tax. Can you live off of 30 percent of what you are making on your job? They said this before and after their debates. I being a former Demacrat will never vote for one as long as they keep going in the wrong direction on anything including destroying our children before they have a chance. As this also weekens our country in defense. Think on that one.

      • Another brain washed and brain dead liberal. You are the problem in America. We should name you Polly (as in want a cracker?). To prove your accusations against Trump please cite references to said accusations. Otherwise you are just another lying lib.

      • You are nuts, Trump has never said he was King of the Jews nor is he the antichrist.The Baptist Churches teaches against abortions. I don’t know where they get all this junk from but our church preaches against abortion and same sex marriage. Gays are welcomed in our church as long as they are not an active homosexual.

        • Pay no attention to fred – he’s another deranged Trump hater.
          Example: “…hypnotic spell of Trump.”
          You can’t come up with complete garbage like that unless you
          are really in need of mental help!
          (At least he’s a lot more concise than Voluminous Vasu!)

          • Robert. Exactly! Knock on wood that Vasu doesn’t pop up here someplace with a long “fill in the blanks” screed.

          • Sorry about that! I had just left a comment about him and his aura was still
            hanging around!!
            He is much like a stubborn virus that is highly resistant to eradication.
            (And this site bears some responsibility for letting him post his over-long,
            boring stuff. He should be required to be much briefer. Nobody posts
            anything even close to his blathers.)

        • WOW, you are over the hill, such animosity. It is a woman’s right to choose abortion or not, Men should stay out of this. Most times, men get away with non-support, do not take the blame, they have it easy, always blame the woman.
          IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, YOU DON’T GO THROUGH PREGNANCIES, AND THESE PREGNANCIES OCCUR TO TEENAGERS, SO YOUNG AND NOT PREPARED, SO MEN SHOULD GET THE HELL OUT OF WOMEN’S RIGHTS.

          • Is it a woman’s right to destroy an innocent human life before the child has even been born? Too many women worship the God of self and are totally enslaved to their own convenience, figures, etc. What about the baby’s right to life? “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”. Sound familiar? Oh, and by the way, the reference to men in that passage is NOT gender-exclusive. It refers to women, boys, and girls as well, people of all ages, races, shapes, sizes, and colours, just as the word mankind does. Also. I believe it was Dr. Albert Schweitzer who said, ” if a man loses reverence for any part of life, he will soon lose reverence for all life. “. How sad that America is sliding hard and fast down that slippery slope!

          • DJ, how come people like you can’t see that a woman’s right to choose includes not having unprotected sex or not having sex at all? Why is abortion the only solution?

          • Pamela, Maybe the problem is that some of the men out there aren’t a part of their daughters lives. If their fathers were in their lives maybe they wouldn’t be so gullible looking for love in all the wrong places.
            I think man, regardless of color, is one of Gods greatest creations.
            And women are also. If we’d work together instead of against each other, constantly bashing each other, the children of the world would be better off.
            Women, in the words of the extraordinary Judge Judy, if you sleep with them without protection and get pregnant don’t put the full blame on the man. You picked them.
            I just ask young ladies to think before they leap.
            Ken, great points.

      • You spew falsehoods!

        Your hate has blinded you.
        Such hatred is why this country is divided.

        You need to seek Christ, not the demon that is guiding you.

      • Everytime something comes up, the morons have to blame Trump. The lefties are no better than the fake media. Blowing bull sh## out of their mouths. Take your comment and shove it up where you sit and give your brain a rest.

      • You are just another Trump hater. That is nothing new. But, I have found that folks such as yourself have no real facts or even truth when you make comments. You are just expressing the hatred that seems to simmer deep in your soul and you feel justified spewing it out on those folks you don’t even know. If you have no first hand evidence that what you are saying is true, you may want to keep your mouth closed.

      • Fred: You cannot put a coherent (look it up in the dictionary) sentence together. Deal with your hatred that your lot lost the election THREE YEARS AGO. GROW UP!

      • How wrong you are Fred. Each Southern Baptist Church is independent of the Southern Baptist Convention. Your hatred of the president is a problem of your soul. God tells us to obey the authorities because he puts them over us. Therefore you bash the president, you are railing against God himself. “For the heart of a wise man inclines to the right, the heart of the fool to the left. As the fool walks along he shows how stupid he is.” Ecclesiastes 10: 2-3

      • I was a proctologist so I’m use to dealing with ash wholes. Make an appointment and I’ll drill you demented dimwit obstructionist immoral hateful demoncratic ash (and being a demoncrat you’ll love it).

      • Fred, that’s about as stupid a thing as you could write. Either you’re making things up or you’re being totally fooled by some other bitter person. Either way, it’s a bunch of malarky.

      • Fred, Your just a brain washed demo that just can’t see, or except the success this president has had for the American people is his short time in office.

    • I’m almost too embarrassed to admit it but I was southern Baptist. They started moving way too much liberal for us and the so called pastor even publicly stated that he votes for democrats that believe in homosexuality. That’s when we had enough and left that fake church and fake preacher.

      • I think that was a proper move. If enough of you feel the same about the leftist
        swing in your Church and do as you did, maybe the lefties will ‘get the picture’!
        They will certainly feel the dwindling funds!
        I would also write to the ‘Big Bosses’ and let them know why you will not be
        represented in the collection plate any longer!

  1. Lucretia Morrison

    “BEFORE I FORMED YOU IN THE WOMB, I KNEW YOU!”…. “GOD”…….JEREMIAH 1:5

    IF “JESUS” WHO IS “GOD”. STARTED THE CATHOLIC RELIGION, WOULDN’T YOU RATHER BELONG TO A CHURCH THAT WAS STARTED BY “JESUS” WHO IS “GOD” THAN Before A HUMAN BEING?

    I believe it was our past president, Ronald Reagan who said, “I noticed that everyone who is for abortion, has already been born!”

    Respectfully submitted!

    • Catholicism is a fake Christian religion that was created by emperor Constantine to meld with the Roman Empire and became a legalized state religion. Catholicism does not align with true Christianity as preached by Jesus and His apostles.

        • Yes, actually, she does. What we know as the “Catholic Church” veered away from the teachings of Christ long ago.

          Jesus Himself prayed to His Father saying “Keep in YOUR name those You have given me.” The Father is not known as Catholic. He is God.

          • True. The Emperor Theodosius made the church the state church and shut down all other religions giving all the holdings to the Roman Catholic church. The church became a huge political power and practiced politics rather than Christianity and it was the church leadership at that time that twisted things around.

        • Catholic History Started on the 3rd Century BC in Rome. You really think that Jesus was born on December 25 ? Acts chapter 27 Said that The Sailing Season ended after the Fast, which is after the day of Atonement, known today as yom kippur, With Caesar’s census taking place then,then could not be from October 3 to mid May. The Catholics changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. St Peter’s in Rome is on the site of the temple for the sun god Mithra. The Church is against many things in the Bible. Only God decides who saints are. Any Questions? I have read the Bible cover to cover many times, and i was raised a Catholic. We are close to the time for Jesus’ return. Trump is an anti-Christ

          • I will pray for the Holy Spirit to enlighten you. You have read the bible many times, but it didn’t touch your heart or your mind. The Catholic Church is not a cafeteria religion where you pick and choose what to believe. Either you accept the Word of God or you Don’t. Have you read the Jerusalem Bible which is the best translation of what was written in Aramaic and Greek? Even if a word could not be transcribed or was missing in the manuscript it gives you a multitude of footnotes regarding it. I always like it when someone says they use to be Catholic–then you know who the Founder of the Catholic Religion is – or perhaps you never really learned.

          • ROFLMAO….yeah…..sure. Back to your nap. AND BTW, which bible have you been reading? Mine doesn’t say any of that…especially of Trump being the anti-Christ. Grow up.

          • Only a moron would claim the Catholic church began before Christ and Trump is the antichrist.
            I don’t think you read the bible at all.

        • Ray, she hit it right on the head. The Catholic Church does many things that the bible says not to do. Like, make no graven images weather in heaven or in the Earth. And thow shalt not bow down to them. Bowing down to a statue of Jesus is a graven image. Then, there’s mary with Jesus in her arms. You bow down to it. If you don’t believe me. Read the TEN COMMANDMENTS. If you still don’t believe. Then you deni the word of GOD. Oh! I forgot, your church changed the words to fit your so called religion. What will you excuse me when you stand before God.

          • You are misinterpreting these passages.

            Graven images are any image that draws the soul away from Christ the King. Handiwork’s of God’s creation (art) that bring souls to reflect upon the glory of God are NOT graven.

          • The Catholic Church Adores and believes in One God (In The Trinity – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). We honor saints as teachers to reflect on and imitate their holy lives. We pray for them to intercede to God for our soul’s salvation, our petitions, and we have them not as graven images but as a reflection of who they are and how they lived and attained true salvation.

      • Debbie, I agree with Ray. The fallacy with respect to Constantine has been dis-proven time and again! Btw, there were at least two US Presidents, whom were closet Catholics. I’ll give you their initials: G.W., and R.W.R.

        • I was raised a Catholic.You ever read the Bible? The church might Cover 30-35% of the boo.and main rules go against Scriptures. It does not believe that the book of Revelation is real, but some type Spiritual thing.

        • Catholicism and mainstream Christianity do not match at all. So one of them must be wrong or both are wrong. They can’t both be right. Debbie Downer is correct.

        • Jim, who dismissed the fallacy Constantine? Another Catholic person? I walked away from the Catholic Church when I started studying for myself. All I’ve seen every time I went to church was no one carried a BIBLE. They took the word as truth from the priest. Like blind sheep to the slaughter. Since then, my eyes are open. Plus, the BIBLE says, thow shalt not call no man “Father”. That’s what the priest want you to call them. Right? WRONG! We have one “FATHER” and he is in HEAVEN. May GOD have mercy on you.

          • You evidently didn’t attend Mass which is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and in the Mass their are two readings from the Bible (Old and New Testaments) and the Church commends and encourages those who do the readings in The Liturgy of the Hours (IBreviary can be downloaded on your phone) which is a daily practice of a Daily Office of the Readings, Morning Prayer, Daytime Prayer, and Evening Prayer – also in the FALACY OF NOT READING THE BIBLE The church is against self-interpretation of the Word of God and we therefore have theologians who study and instruct what was intended in the message of God’s Words. Catholics do read and believe The Bible is the true Word of God.

      • I’m not a Catholic, but what does your objection to Catholicism have to do with this article? The question is whether being publicly against abortion is un-Christlike. Would Jesus condone what is done to these pre-born children in order to be nice to women?

        “Except you shall repent, you shall all likewise perish.” Whoever said that surely wasn’t Christ-like. Oh, wait a minute, it was Christ who said it. Confrontation may not sound sweet and kind, but it is necessary, even from the viewpoint of Christ.

        • Hello, Charles Marshall. You may not have noticed, but Debbie Downer replied to Lucretia Morrison who seems to have gone out of her way to insult people who simultaneously follow the word of Jesus and reject the institutions overseen by the Vatican. Not a single one of the self-proclaimed Catholics on here has explained how Jesus requires or would require obedience to the Vatican. Not a single one! Instead we are seeing a lot of flaming, which is ridiculous.

      • The Catholic Religion is not a cafeteria religion. Founded by Jesus Christ and past on to the Apostles. People who do not want to believe the Word of God change it so they feel more comfortable with their chosen lifestyle.

    • Lucretia you are right about what God has done but who is God?
      John 1:18 King James Version (KJV)
      18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
      Lots of people saw J.C. He was God’s son and he did His will and thankfully we have been redeemed.
      Luke 18:19 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.

      • Jesus himself is God, so many people saw his mortal human side. only Early believers saw his glorified Body of his human form. He is not a different person And like God, we have 3 parts as well in one person,Body, mind, and spirit. We just do not have God’s power.

        • Sorry Fred, but I have to disagree with you. Christ said, while he was on earth that God was in heaven. It is recorded that Christ sits on the right hand of God. The Bible, no where, teaches the doctrine of the “Trinity.” Christ told His disciples that after He left them, He would SEND the Spirit, not come back to them as the Spirit. And if Christ was God, then when He prayed, He prayed to Himself. And lastly, in the Garden of Gethsemane, Christ prayed to the Father, “Not My will, but Thine be done.” If Christ was God, there could not be any difference in their wills. Constantine’s trinity doctrine is the biggest hoax pulled on mankind.

    • Mark Crutcher of Life Dynamics says that if only 15% of our Christian Churches would voice their concerns against abortion, it would be banned. This shows that most of Christian Churches are good for puke as Jesus said in Revelation 3:16.

    • Amen! Amen! King David knew the fearsome of God. God made everything perfect no matter if there is an imperfection in our human eyes. every life is precious in God’s eye. I was raised in Southern Baptist teaching until i left to join USAF in 19675 in MS. as far as I’m concern this wicked organization is just like catholicism. it can change position at will by the changing drumbeat of society. at an early age, it occurred to me why the Chinese, the white, and the blacks were separated, not allow to intermingle in worship. I was taught by one SS teacher, very caring for me but suddenly he was not, was told he was transferred to another location. this lack of cohesiveness does not do well to firm up any young belief. later in life, I joined the conservative independent nondenominational church for my spiritual filling. don’t trust the Mormon, Jehovah Witness, SBC, Catholic. they are just large organizations, get rich is their scheme.

      • Seems we have gotten off the track … many need authentic history lessons to determine any semblance of the truth regarding “religions” and who and who isn’t “G-d” …… for me and my understanding life begins at conception…to kill that life at any stage is wrong – and now it is legal to kill a baby as it is leaving the womb fully formed and fully alive. That is why so many of us have changed political parties in recent years. Many of us cannot support an immoral platform. So though we often change belief systems for one reason or another, it is important very important that the rules we make are always on the side of life, for the unborn, the disabled and the elderly…
        which is written in most every belief system, give your heart to the G-d of your understanding and your kindness and compassion to man …

  2. Most churches today are fake Christianity. They preach a different gospel, and a different Christ.
    A great apostasy must occur before the return of Christ.

    • The “Great Apostasy” has already occurred. It started during the time of the apostles as the individual churches, as stated by Paul and others, that they were not in accordance with the teachings that they had been taught.
      I do agree that most of the churches today are fake Christianity. The Bible does not teach the doctrine of the “Trinity,” celibacy of priests, sainthood, etc.
      Christ fulfilled the Mosaic law and instituted a higher law.

        • The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit
          Three in one.and as for the church. The church is in you. That’s why JESUS said that he would send the Holy Spirit to abide in you. By doing so, you have a personal relationship with GOD, JESUS and the HOLY SPIRIT. That’s why we pray for help and understanding.

  3. Debbi Dear, you may want to google Ann Landers and “Getting to the roots of world’s religions” and that the Catholic Religion was started by “JESUS”, who is “GOD” in the year 33.

    On another thought to all, specifically veterans, who would like to google read the experience of Saint Michael the Archangel who saved the life of a combat marine in 1950 in Korea! And the prayer that saved him, “MICHAEL, MICHAEL OF THE MORNING FRESH CHORD OF HEAVEN ADORNING, PLEASE KEEP ME SAFE TODAY AND IN TIME OF TEMPTATION, DRIVE THE DEVIL AWAY!”

    I not only recite it early each morning when leaving my house to attend the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but also repeat it for each of my children and grandchild while driving to church! This is not to impress you but perhaps you might consider reciting it too…….as I care about you!

    Blessings to ALL!
    HAPPY THANKSGIVING

    P.S. Mr. Armistead and Ms. Linda M…….thank you for your positive comments!

    • Lucretia, I don’t want to judge you or your religion.
      If you are a Christ follower I am happy for you.
      Happy Thanksgiving.

    • Lucretia….I’m like Debbie D. and do not and will not judge you (not my job), BUT, “personally”, Jesus never “started” a “church” or “denomination”. The Catholic Church was started under Paul when he went to Rome. The belief in who Jesus is, is the foundation of the Christian faith no matter what the denomination. I could get into a more detailed explanation of this, but it wouldn’t change the foundation.

      • That does not make sense. Is it a joke? You do not inherent somebody else’s condition of being Jewish just for believing in that person. Also, somebody being Jewish by descent does not mean that the person necessarily subscribes to Judaism. The Judaists who lived when Jesus began his spiritual political movement would have considered him a heretic thus not a Judaist. However and inasmuch, subscribers to the New Testament would be considered just as much heretics of Judaism as the progenitors of that testament, including Jesus, his apostles and their disciples would be. As to who is Jewish and who is not, this may have more to do with whether or not a person is a descendant of Jacob, one of Abraham’s sons, a descendant of whom not everybody in the world could be.

    • Lucretia, you are wrong. The Catholic Church was started by a decree by Constantine in 24 AD. After he saw what Peter and his followers. He decreed, that all in the Roman and conquered land for Christians. At that time, the Romans worshipped many idols. Therefore, by making the decree. All the so called idiols of Rome were brought into the church. You pray to Mary to go to Jesus on your behalf. Sad news. Mary can’t do it. She’s still in the grave. Therefore, the Catholic Church is not the first and true church. It’s a fake. Read the Ten commandments. The Catholic Church violates many of them. If you can’t see it. Your the only one that has to answer to GOD. Not the priest or anyone else.

  4. Lucretia, I don’t want to judge you or your religion.
    If you are a Christ follower I am happy for you.
    Happy Thanksgiving.

  5. DEBBIE,

    GOD BLESS AND WATCH OVER YOU! THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPECTFUL COURTEOUS REPLY!

    AND A HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!

  6. The Bible permits abortion. Pro-lifers must become secular.

    Genesis 38:24. Tamar’s pregnancy was proof that she was sexually active. Because she was a widow, without a husband, she was assumed to be a prostitute. Her father-in-law, Judah, ordered that she be burned alive for her crime.

    If Tamar’s fetuses had any value whatsoever, her execution would have been delayed until after their birth. There was no condemnation on Judah for deciding to take this action.

    Exodus 21:22-24. If two men are fighting and one injures a pregnant woman and the fetus is killed, he shall repay her according to the degree of injury inflicted upon *her*,and not the fetus.

    Author Brian McKinley, a born-again Christian, comments:

    “Thus we can see that if the baby is lost, it does not require a death sentence-it is not considered murder. But if the woman is lost, it is considered murder and is punished by death.”

    Halacha (Jewish Law) does define when a fetus becomes a nephesh (person), a full-fledged human being, when the head emerges from the womb. Before then, the fetus is considered a “partial-life”; it gains full human status after birth only.

    The Babylonian Talmud (Yevamot 69b) states that: “the embryo is considered to be mere water until the fortieth day.” Afterward, it is considered subhuman until it is born.

    Rashi, the great 12th century commentator on the Hebrew Bible and the Talmud, states clearly of the fetus ‘lav nephesh hu — it is not a person.’

    The Talmud contains the expression, “the thigh of its mother,” i.e., the fetus is deemed to be part and parcel of the pregnant woman’s body.

    This is grounded in Exodus 21:22. That biblical passage outlines the Mosaic Law in a case where a man is responsible for causing a woman’s miscarriage, which kills the fetus.

    If the woman survives, then the perpetrator has to pay a fine to the woman’s husband. If the woman is killed, the perpetrator is also killed. This indicates that the fetus has value, but does not have the status of a person.

    There are two additional passages in the Talmud which shed some light on abortion. They imply that the fetus is considered part of its mother:

    One section states that if a man purchases a cow that is found to be pregnant, then he is owner of both the cow and the fetus.

    Another section states that if a pregnant woman converts to Judaism, that her conversion also applies to her fetus.

    Some Jewish authorities have ruled in specific cases. one case involved a woman who becomes pregnant while nursing a child. Her milk supply would dry up. If the child is allergic to all other forms of nutrition except mother’s milk, then it would starve.

    An abortion would be permitted in this case, a potential person, would be justified to save the life of the child, an actual person.

    Judaism supports abortion access for women. Polls show 90 percent of American Jews supporting abortion rights.

    Pro-life apologists say at least the unborn has *some* value in the Old Testament, if not actual or real personhood. But the New Testament is more permissive than the Old Testament!

    In Christianity, Paul’s gospel displaces Jesus’ gospel. Jesus, a rabbi, repeatedly upheld Mosaic Law (Matthew 5:17-19; Mark 10:17-22; Luke 16:17) as did his apostles (see chapters 10, 15, and 21 of Acts). Paul, however, claims Mosaic Law has been abolished, referring to his previous adherence to the Law as “so much garbage…”

    So even if you could find a verse in the Old Testament indicating concern for the unborn, Paul, and not Jesus, says it’s “garbage.”

    Like animals in contemporary American society, the Bible accords the unborn marginal concern which is often inconsistent at best.

    Paul doesn’t say anything about abortion in any of his epistles. Paul repeatedly attacked sexual immorality.

    “This is God’s will—your sanctification, that you keep yourselves from sexual immorality, that each of you learn how to take his own wife in purity and honor, not in lustful passion like the gentiles who have no knowledge of God.” (I Thessalonians 4:3-5)

    “Make no mistake,” warned Paul, “no fornicator or idolater, none who are guilty either of adultery or of homosexual perversion, no thieves or grabbers or drunkards or slanderers or swindlers, will possess the kingdom of God.” (I Corinthians 6:9-10 [NEB])

    Paul told the gentiles to train themselves for godliness, to practice self-control and lead upright, godly lives (Galatians 5:23; I Timothy 4:7; II Timothy 1:7; Titus 2:11-12).

    He instructed them to *always* pray constantly. (I Thessalonians 5:17)

    Paul wrote further that women should cover their heads while worshiping, and that long hair on males is dishonorable. (I Corinthians 11:5-14)

    According to Paul, Christian women are to dress modestly and prudently, and are not to be adorned with braided hair, gold or pearls or expensive clothes. (I Timothy 2:9)

    Paul doesn’t say anything about abortion in any of his epistles, but would it matter if he had?

    Conservative Christians are quick to condemn anyone preaching a false gospel, but some conservative Christians argue not only that they’re not under Mosaic Law, but that they don’t have to follow Paul, either, because Paul claims the risen Jesus said to him three times “…my grace is sufficient for thee…” and they take this biblical verse as a license to do as they please.

    If their view prevails, then:

    What basis do pro-life Christians have for prohibiting abortion?

    Doesn’t “three times…” justify choice?

    Secular pro-life arguments are religion-neutral and thus applicable to everyone, including atheists and agnostics.

    The pro-life movement ALREADY HAS the support of organized religion.

    Instead of preaching to the choir, i.e., wasting time with religion, pro-lifers should focus on embryology and prenatal development, DNA, RNA, etc. to make their case to our mainstream secular society.

    The Democratic Party platform should support: Animal Rights, Defending the Affordable Care Act, Ending Citizens United, Ending Marijuana Prohibition, Giving Greater Visibility to Pro-Life Democrats, Gun Control, Net Neutrality, Raising the Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour, Responding to the Scientific Consensus on Global Warming, and a Sustainable Energy Policy.

    Democrats for Life of America, 10521 Judicial Drive, #200, Fairfax, VA 22030, (703) 424-6663

    • vasu, You just keep repeating your sick lies and have no concept of the truth. Try actually studying the Bible you pretend to understand, which you have no clue about. GOD DOES NOT PERMIT ABORTION!!!!!! YOU are a fool

      • He’s a “Democrat for Life”. Then preaches murdering the unborn. If that is the Democrat’s idea of “life” then keep them fa-a-r away from me!

        I guess in their eyes we must become vegans to stop killing animals but accelerate the rate of murdering the unborn.

        You’re right. NOWHERE in the Bible does it authorize the murder of the unborn by ANY human.

        • Read through all I wrote again, and you’ll see my point. I didn’t “preach murdering the unborn,” rather, I said the Bible permits it, just as it permits slavery and the subjugation of women, too. And as a pro-life Democrat, a member of Democrats For Life, I’m taking a stand *against* abortion regardless of what the Bible says. You should, too! I’m on your side on the abortion issue, but pro-lifers shouldn’t have to resort to intellectual and theological dishonesty.

      • Oh! But Patrick, Vasu is a Brahman – the highest caste of Hinduism. He therefore thinks his God-given
        wisdom places him above all us other poor mortals who have been denied the “Wisdom of the East”.
        Some examples of that “Wisdom”
        1) Suttee – the widow would throw herself on her dead husband’s funeral pyre – stopped by the British*.
        2 Thuggee – organized gangs of murderers and robbers – also fought and stopped by the British.
        3) ‘Caste’ – a cultural system which tarred everyone with a place in society that depended on birth.
        Born to a wealthy family – good; born into a poor family – sorry! that’s where you stayed.
        4) While the poor starve, cattle walk around without a problem – they’re ‘sacred’! Wisdom?
        India causes the second most pollution (behind China) of any country in the world.
        So Vasu thinks he is so superior to all other people that he has to ‘guide’ us with his great
        understanding – of everything, BTW!
        Hence his never-ending, boring screeds. (He’s also a Democrat – not surprised?!)
        *A practice that kept women from inheriting their departed husband’s wealth. I don’t believe
        for a minute that men didn’t appreciate the practice. At the end of the Roman empire, 70%
        of the wealth was controlled by the widows of rich men. I’m sure the men of India knew about that!
        Oh yes; and he has a degree in physics – so that must make him so much wiser than the rest of us.
        A wise Democrat? An oxymoron??

        • Robert Armistead: I have read each and every post here and some how most have gotten turned around and forgotten the topic of the story. We are now discussing if Catholicism is a true religion or not. And of course EVERYONE’S favorite topic, delusional Vasu. Which you have pointed out beautifully what a loyal Liberal ,crazy man he is. I don’t like to stoop to name calling. But some just beg to be put in their place. Vasu is one such person. And that RedMan lunatic. Nor am I faulting you for commenting about him as well. I do it too, sometimes. Especially for new posters that have never come across his propaganda before and must be warned against his nonsense.
          But my favorite comment came from Fred A. That Jesus is GOD. One of the first bible verses we had to learn in bible study was JOHN 3:16. Jesus is our salvation created by GOD. Or did I miss something???
          Satan is infiltrating EVERY organization, religions, and schools he can. Trying to claim as many souls as he can before the second coming.. THIS is what we really should to be concerned with. Our salvation. Eternity is forever…
          GOD bless.

    • Here is this Murti thing again with its “Cut & Paste”.
      Always trying to SELL something, like a parrot.
      With nothing positive to contribute other than more idiotic nonsense and jibber jabber that is spewed from the mouth of EVIL.
      Its to bad that there is an obvious need for attention on behalf of “MURTI’S MADNESS”.

      Clowns belong at the circus…

    • Ah the gospel according to Paul? Thou shall not kill. When you stand in front of the Lord and you will, spew that nonsense to him! Common sense and a human heart with actual love should have lead you already to the truth. Repent and be saved. In Jesus Christ name! Justus

    • Note: Look up “pro-life Christian Brian McKinley who is quoted above. Brian McKinley is not a real person, but is a figment of one, two or three persons imagination. Hog-wash!

    • Just one comment on your view, Vasu. Judah wasn’t speaking for God when he was ready to burn his daughter-in-law. He was speaking as a self-righteous and judgmental man. And when that came out, Tamar wasn’t burnt. The incident proves nothing about God’s view of the pre-born. Neither does it prove anything against the validity of the Bible. I didn’t read the rest of your ignorant rant. Probably nobody else did either.

    • I just have to put my two cents in about the Catholic religion. I was brought up Protestant. When i was old enough to see things for myself there were parts of the religion that i found silly, for lack of a better word. One for example was confessing to a priest. A priest is just a man. He himself can forgive but he cannot forgive for God. Why confess to a person when you can go directly to God in prayer. Today it has been shown that numerous priests have been child molesters. Not a very good example of godliness. Then i found that during WW 2 the Vatican was in cahoots with the Nazis, storing their stolen art. They put on a holier than thou face for the world when behind the scenes the Catholic Church has been corrupt.

    • Vasu, again. You are long winded. I’ve read GENESIS; 38:24. It did say that she was to be burned. However, you failed to continue on reading the full texts. She was not burned. This show us that you are no mare than a Communist trying to corrupt the minds of others. Get your facts right before you open your mouth. Read for yourself GENESIS 38:24 – 30.

  7. Bj, if you google “where in the Bible does it say JESUS started the Catholic religion, you will see a few links to get the answer. Part of one of the links JESUS said, “You are Peter and on this Rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!” There is more that’s described in the Bible and feel it might be to lengthy to type in this comment! Good question!

    Blessings to You!

    • The Bible says nothing at all about the Catholic church. And what He said to Peter does not mention Catholicism at all. Jesus was JEWISH, not Catholic. And He invited ALL gentiles to join His church. If you actually study the origin of the Catholic Church you will find that it is not Biblical. Check out http://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html
      Jesus’ church is ALL who believe in Him and are saved. The great news is that anyone can be saved. Jesus died for the sins of all. All you have to do is come to Him and repent and accept Him as your Savior.

    • You need to read the WHOLE passage: (Matt 16:17 – 18)

      17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

      18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

      What Christ was saying here is that “Revelation” was the rock on which His church would be built, not Peter.

    • Catholicism teaches salvation through works, among other things that are anti-christ. Mary worship, saints, statues, purgatory, salvation through works is all anti-christ.
      Catholicism is a fake Christianity.
      Debbie is correct.

    • Lucretia, again half truth. Upon This Rock I will build my church and the Gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The rock JESUS was talking about was Peter’s belief and faith in him. For Peter’s eyes were opened to who JESUS was. Again, study for yourself. Look in the Gospels to find the answer.

  8. Dear Bj, Have to chuckle at your responses to vasu murti but perhaps praying for him is the best answer; don’t want you to become upset; again, care about your well being! When I think about something that might annoy me, awhile back, I remember Saint Mother Theresa of Calcutter saying, TRUST in JESUS, “WAIT” …………..HE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM! I ask for the GRACE to wait! I’m sure you’ll agree, our prayers can be very efficacious! (Just a few words of wisdom from an 88 year old widow).

    Mrs. lucretia Morrison (don’t want to forget my wonderful husband)

    BTW…….I don’t read any of his comments but as soon as I see the name vasu murti, recite a HAIL MARY for him but am sure, OUR LORD will accept any prayer we have for vasu!

  9. I am of the Baptist faith/ was baptized in a Baptist church by a bapt preacher; it gets me after resding post about the main man over ga bapt conv, about abortions, don’t preach abortion from the pulpit, etc;;;;;ha ,how ignorant; preach about abortion from any where; its not right to kill an unborn fetus and, anyone thinks otherwise is deranged and, I surely don’t want to be represented by a heathen with those sort of thoughts

    • Jimmy, anyone that preaches that it’s alright to kill an unborn baby or any is wrong. Those that teaches those faults words. Will have the blood of those they miss lead. And those that takes the lives will have the babies blood on their hands. For a child is a gift to the parents. I’m not sure where in the old testament it speaks on that gift. And remember this, GOD had made “US” in his image. It’s the devil that’s trying to pervert the world and GODS word. We are in the start of the last days. May GOD HAVE MERCY on us and those that believe.

  10. I’ve noticed that many churches of denomination have changed their name and doesn’t say it has ANY affiliation noted of their prior denomination….Our church was proposing a name change to remove Baptist from the name. I never said anything but now the church has reorganized and kept the name as it was WITH “BAPTIST” in the name. I don’t think I would be a member of a church WITHOUT a denomination listed…It’s time we support GODS WAY and stop changing our beliefs because someone disagrees with us…In the end only the true and faithful CHRISTIANS will go to heaven…

  11. Mark, Dear

    If there is no GOD, when I die, I will have wasted all these years in prayer, but when you die, if there is a GOD, you will have wasted an eternity. As it was brought out to me yeas ago about ETERNITY, As many leaves there are on trees, blades of grass on land, drops of water in the ocean, specs of sand on the seashore we can’t begin to count the word ETERNITY, There are only two choices…….choose wisely! And that goes for me too!

    BLESSINGS TO YOU!

  12. Dear bj, Catholic means Universal and Cyril of Jerusalem, in the fourth century, says that the church is called Catholic not only ‘because it is spread throughout the world’ but also ‘because it teaches completely and without defect all the doctrines which ought to come to the knowledge of men’.

    You may want to google, Four Mark’s of the Catholic Church Bible verses about the ‘One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church’.

    BLESSINGS TO YOU!

    H

  13. I believe that life begins at conception, and I wonder what those millions of aborted babies would believe had they been allowed to live and grow past the age or reason. There are many “accidental” pregnancies, but I don’t think there are many accidental adoptions. Women can use precaution as well as men, and those who refuse to are pretty selfish. I was an adopted child, and yes my parents screwed up. I’m glad that My mom didn’t abort me, because then someone else would have to write this.

  14. I was thinking that a true Christian can never and will never vote for a democrat as democrats support the murder of babies and forcing the homosexual agenda on Americans. (Oh, but democrats want all the Bibles removed/destroyed. . . . Wonder why?)
    In HIM,
    <
    me

  15. As a woman, it’s hurts me to hear the pro-choice women celebrating abortion as if it were their right to kill babies. How can the Southern Baptists condone that practice? God would never allow this and they have gone over to the dark side!

  16. When the church faithfully teaches the doctrines of the Bible, social topics (abortion, drugs, moral issues…) do not have to be mentioned. God’s word and His Holy Spirit will bring the non-intimidated under conviction faster that “foot stomping, pulpit banging…” preaching.
    http://www.godauthoredbible.com

  17. We all agree that the process of life begins at conception. We all agree that if left to come to term, the process of life will result in the birth of a baby child. Why then is killing the process of life any different then killing a baby child? Of course it’s not.

  18. The Left seek to transform not only North America but all Western Civilization from Old Testament Judeo-History and Prophets and New Testament Christianity to human secularism – the worship of “Self” I, Me, My, Mine aka hedonism “Let It All Hang Out!” “Sex, Drugs and Rock ‘n Roll!”
    Explains the embrace of LGBT (Lesbians Gay Bi-Sexual Transgender) PP (Planned Parenthood) F(Feminism) S&M (Sadism & Masochism) P (Pedophilia) DQ (Drag Queens). Satan’s lure is powerful!

    • Amen Joan The left is all about self, power, etc. Abortion is murder. Any preacher that caves and tickles the ears instead of preaches the truth, reserves for himself and those of his followers a place in hell. Beware beloved lest you be deceived.

  19. I think as a whole that this “imposter” be removed from the convention. Just goes to show you that not paying attention to what is going on even in your own denomination, satan can enter in. I’m pretty sure that heads will roll, & if not we deserve what God dishes out to us.

  20. Hurtful to women? . . . UHHHH – what about the MURDERED CHILD?!? According to Proverbs Chapter 6, it is an ABOMINATION. to take INNOCENT life! Since WHEN do WE start defending ABOMINATIONS? It should not even be given ANY considerations! Treat the women who made this mistake with kindness and courtesy, but DENOUNCE this ABOMINATION from the pulpit, like any OTHER sin. Team Trump and his allies2020 – KAGA (Keep America Great Again).

  21. Call it Satan, Ignorance, or just plain Stupidity, ( and there’s more than enough of THAT to go around,) if you wish, But I believe that people should just stop and think a bit, and then do the right thing. Most folks have that much common sense. I’m not a big fan of organized Religion anyhow, as I feel close to my creator in a forest or on a hilltop or walking in a snowfall. I like sunsets too.

  22. Human life begins the moment the sperm penetrates the ovum. That is fact. That makes an zygote a person, an embryo a person, a fetus a person and a baby a person. They should all have the protection of the 14th Amendment. Anyone who believes that preaching against abortion hurts women has been drinking the PP kool-aid. Nothing about abortion is safe for the woman or her baby.

  23. VU
    Aren’t your fingers tired yet?
    I believe we will all go to another dimension where we will all use the intelligence we aquired from this one
    To further the universe.
    God be with us.
    Sorry for our sins..

  24. Aren’t these Southern Baptists the same ones that decreed, several years back, that no member was permitted to become a member of the Freemasons? It’s all about control, as it is with most Churches. I don’t believe that anyone has the right to tell me what I may think, as long as I’m not causing injury to any other person. I love and respect the God I was brought up to believe in, as should we all. We may also agree to disagree, without being hateful about it. Abortion IS birth control, What we need is effective CONCEPTION control. Thank you.

    • Abortion is not birth control. It is taking the life of an unborn child of God. It is all about control. Not our control but God’s. As true Christians we Are The Church. We are not a building or a denomination. Denominations are man made and that is where the trouble lies. We must follow what Jesus taught us by His life here. The question “What would Jesus do?” Is still a very relevant question that we should use frequently. Being hateful isn’t the way to be to each othe, praying for each other is.
      What we need is effective Conception, a birth control method that truly works. We already have one. It is called controlling yourself as not to conceive. With God all things are possible, even self control. May God bless you and bring you even closer to Him.

  25. Dear Ed, The reason JESUS was sent to us was to follow him! I’m sure we all have crosses in our daily lives such as illnesses, inconveniences, annoyances and whatever hurts humanity, to offer it in union with the passion of JESUS to SAVE the souls of sinners! How efficacious are our crosses and prayers to JESUS! To set an example in following HIM! To share an example in my life, dropped a bit of food on my kitchen floor so that instead of becoming annoyed with my stiff arthritic fingers for having it difficult picking it up, I offered it up to Our LORD to whoever HE wanted to apply it to save a sinner………could be me………since I’m still here! 🤦‍♀️😊 Think if I didn’t have that GRACE, I would have done some cussing!

    Happy Thanksgiving to You and your Family, Ed
    With Prayers for ALL

  26. “A NATION THAT KILLS IT’S CHILDREN IN THE WOMB HAS LOST IT’S SOUL.”
    SAINT MOTHER TERESA OF CALCUTTA – 1910 – 1997

  27. I would not go to a church that felt that way, abortion is Murder. We don’t serve the church we serve GOD as does the church, abortion is wrong plan and simple

  28. That is why we Fundamental INDEPENDENT Baptist left the United, Southern and American Baptist, associations.We believe the Bible calls for a local called out assembly to govern its own affairs!We are NOT an organization but a living organism!!!

  29. I believe in a woman’s right to choose. Her body belongs to herself, not to politicians or to someone else’s church. A women should not have to give birth if the fetus is a product of rape or if her life would be in danger. Fetus are not babies until they are born. Right wing politicians champion the fetus but couldn’t care less about it after it is born and becomes a real baby.

  30. Dear Mr. Harvey and ALL who would like to read a short interesting story about a mother who was raped and kept her baby because of her religious convictions. Let us remember, this baby is still a life that GOD created and HE has a purpose for each of the lives HE creates!

    Please google ALETEIA and Inspiring Stories ……..”SHE KEPT THE BABY SHE CONCEIVED WHEN RAPED AND TODAY HE’S A PRIEST WHO DEFENDS LIFE.”

  31. Dear Uncle Hoppy,

    You may want to google, ALETEIA and type in, DO CATHOLICS WORSHIP SAINTS? It willl explain what it teaches!

    Blessings to You!

  32. Don’t be put off by the SBC and those who run it. They are not following the Bible and therefore are not true followers of Jesus Christ.
    Each Baptist church although belonging to the Convention are independent in what they believe and teach. The Baptist church I belong to IS Bible believing and we do follow Jesus Christ.
    We are, as the Bible is, against abortion because it is clearly murder. We also believe, as the Bible teaches, that homosexuality (called Sodomy in the Bible) is a sin and is against God’s plan and purpose for sex. In marriage (a covenant relationship between a man and a woman) the bed is holy and undefiled. Outside of a true marriage a God defines marriage in the Bible sexual relationships are sinful and those who indulge in them will be judged.
    Hebrews 13:4 (KJV)
    4 Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

    • May I help in the spelling department? Prophet is spelled “p-r-o-p-h-e-t”. Profit indicates money above and beyond a sale of something. Prophet is a “sage” or religious scholar, like Paul, in the New Testament. I am glad to help.

  33. I have been to the ERLC website and cannot find any recent blog saying anything like what you have reported. I’m not a fan of Russell Moore and his liberal ways, but please verify what you are saying with a link to the blog/article mentioned. The ERLC website has a link to standforlife.org which is a Pro-Life site.

  34. YEP … these are the last days and many fall by the wayside. What’s hurtful to women is “sin” are they going stop preaching on that? It’s not what is hurtful to women, its what hurts the unborn and that should matter! Matthew 24:10 … Many will fall away …

  35. God did not ordain any religion neither did He make the catholic church the mother church, the first
    church was founded in the book of acts chapter 2 on the day of Pentecost and this is the only true
    church, all others are man-made. Jesus told Peter when Peter said thou art the Christ the Son of
    the living God, Peter flesh and blood did not reveal this but my Father in heaven and upon this Rock
    I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The church was conceived then
    and was born in the book of acts, all others are man-made. Remember there are two wills of God, submit
    and permit, which one are you living in?

  36. I resent paying school and welfare taxes for the breeders and their supporters.Its a lot cheaper paying for an abortion vs the 20+yrs of school/welfare taxes.You want the brats-you ENTIRELY pay for them.Birth control is the first choice,only followed by abortion.All the illegal aliens should have mandatory abortions too. Yes I’d attend a church allowing aborting-provided it is also pro 2nd Amendment and pro Science i.e.Lord created Big Bang and Universe 11.3 billion years ago, Earth began 4.6 billion years and evolution is continuing-not the 13,000 year dark age idiocy promulgated by some religious types.

  37. I have been a Southern Baptist all my life and I am very disappointed with the ones that were elected to head up the convention. This is not the first time I have disagreed with their declarations. They are too far left to be a Southern Baptist and I don’t know how they even got elected. Must be a secret group infiltrating our convention. We may need to disband the convention. I certainly don’t support it now.

  38. Please realize that pulpit pen is not a reliable source for Southern Baptist doctrine. Incidentally, just because one individual makes a comment concerning a denomination does not mean that is the doctrine of the denomination. Certainly not Southern Baptist. Most people do not understand that all Southern Baptist churches are independent and not bound by an authoritative hierarchy. We consider Jesus Christ as the Head of our church not a man. No Southern Baptist Church could honestly support abortion due to our belief that the Bible is the inspired by the Holy Spirit, inerrant, infallible Word of God.

  39. My greatest FEAR, about this whole issue is this:

    If women begin LOSING their RIGHTS, to make their OWN decisions, NOW,

    How LONG will it be, before we, as MEN, begin LOSING our RIGHTS, as well.

    IF we want the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, to STAND, we must ask our selves “What are we willing, and ready, to LOSE, to uphold a gospel which was written thousands of years ago?”

    • The point, you idiot, is not about any gospel – it’s about murdering babies!
      Roe V Wade was a terrible decision. Robert Bork was absolutely right – it
      was a made-up law with the merest wisp of a connection to the Constitution.
      And; just what men’s rights are you concerned about? That’s the fuzziest
      excuse for a complaint I’ve ever heard!

    • Wait. What right does a woman have to decide to deprive a human occupant of her woman of life? Surely, a reasonable person would demand that an excuse for it be produced. No? O, you’re going to claim that the matter is nobody else’s business but her own? Well, we know that is not necessarily true.

      A gospel which was written thousands of years ago? What of it? Devout followers of the gospel are not the only people who may take issue with abortion as a conscious decision made by humankind. By the way, what makes you think that the “Bill of Rights” is in jeopardy of being diminished on account of laws designed to extend the protection of law to more human lives? Will it cost the taxpayers too much? Will any military officers be maimed or slayed? If so, then please explain. Will more mothers die in childbirth? If that, let’s see some statistics, please. Will even more unborn wind up dead at the hands of conniving adults?

  40. Desert Fox

    Your comments/answers are spot on!!! And by your signature, you may have been in the Military, if so, Thank you for your service! If not, GOD placed you where you had to be!

  41. Dear RDB and perhaps others who question the CATHOLIC FAITH………..You may want to research miracles attributed to the THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY! She is very much alive and well! You may also want to look up, “Three reasons why enemies of the CATHOLIC CHURCH hate the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION!”

  42. Looks like Satan is moving in to the Baptist church! No, I wouldn’t join or attend a church that thinks that a baby is “just a clump of cells”! A baby is a blessing! I had an ectopic pregnancy and would have died if I hadn’t had an abortion. It still saddens me 42 years later! I still wonder what that baby could have become and contributed to the world. There is always an option of some sort – adoption, parents taking the baby and raising it, etc. I know so many prospective parents that are desperate to have their own children. I know of many who opened up their hearts and homes and raised ones they adopted. That the “church” thinks that babies are expendable, is a slippery slope. If the baby at gestation is “inconvenient”, what happens when the child is in their “terrible twos”? Can we abort them then? They certainly can be inconvenient to having a good time, financially and otherwise. How about when they become teenagers and start disrespecting and causing problems? And what about older folks who get sick and need help all the time? They are certainly a burden. Can we abort them? You crack open that door, no telling how wide that crack is going to get!

  43. Dear Mary,

    Just thought you might like to research, “When pregnancy goes awry – National Catholic Bioethics”
    A very interesting read!

  44. So another Church falls away from GOD. The end is getting closer and closer. Used to be in the SBC but their other IGNORANT decisions made it apparent that they follow man not GOD. This shows they have fallen even farther away from GOD.

  45. I am a Southern Baptist, but I do not support the Southern Baptist Convention. Just mark on your check or your offering envelope “FOR CHURCH ONLY, NO SBC” and be sure the Church secretary and the church treasurer know what you are requesting. If they deny your request it is time for a special business meeting to oust the officers responsible for ignoring your request.

  46. RDB…Mary, the Blessed Mother of Jesus was not buried! There is no grave! Her body and soul were taken straight to Heaven just like her son Jesus! Hers is the Assumption, His was the Ascension! Both were seen by the Apostles and others as they stood watching. God bless!

  47. BTW: The hurt for a woman is self-inflicted by regret or guilt or sorrow (or any combination) for aborting a baby. Treated by professionals as “Post Abortion Syndrome”, men personally involved can also be affected or even anyone who condones it or pays for it. There is help! It does not matter when it occurs, even years later. God bless!

  48. KRC………YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH; PERFECT RESPONSES CONCERNING OUR “BLESSED MOTHER MARY” AND “POST ABORTION SYNDROME” AND THAT “THERE IS HELP!”

    BLESSINGS TO YOU!

  49. Just want to share a heart warming story I received from ALETEIA e-mail and how “a baby was saved from abortion goes on to become a football star.” When you google it, am sure you will find it a short interesting read!

    Blessings to ALL!

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